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I tired a hard reboot on my Azbox Elite. The first time youtube came up. I have never used that and I don't have the Az hooked to the internet.  Another hard reboot (switching the back switch off) it came up to tv with a black screen. Tried again, same result. Tried again and it seems to be working fine now. 

 Is this a warning of something bad about to happen or, did it just get confused?  




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is ENIGMA2 o OpenSAT firm???
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I'm sorry. I'm not sure what you are asking me?
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Friend,you are using OS Enigma2 o OpenSAT firmware?
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I believe I'm using Azbox Opensat  9.503?
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Ok firend,because it does not install a last firm OpenSAT?  09.5402 ,maybe it is a little corrupt data


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I tired a hard reboot on my Azbox Elite. The first time youtube came up. I have never used that and I don't have the Az hooked to the internet.  Another hard reboot (switching the back switch off) it came up to tv with a black screen. Tried again, same result. Tried again and it seems to be working fine now. 

 Is this a warning of something bad about to happen or, did it just get confused?  





When I first read this, I assumed it was just a fluke, but over this past weekend, we experienced several power outages.  This morning, when I went to the Azbox, it was displaying a youtube screen!?!?!
It didn't materialize into any problem though, a reboot fixed it first time.  However I find it a bit creepy that you report this strange symptom, and then on the weekend that computer networks are shut down by consumer devices connected to the internet, that my Azbox does the same thing.
  I too, have never used the youtube function, and I generally don't have the box connected to the internet, although on a few occasions I have connected it temporarily to attempt to connect to a few servers, but I think this was several years ago before I loaded my current firmware.
   In another post, you said that your firmware was 9.503 .  I'm wondering if you left a digit out of that number?
   Anyway, even though I still think it's a fluke caused by loss of power, and not a problem,  I'd be interested in whether anyone else shows up with this symptom.
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When I first read this, I assumed it was just a fluke, but over this past weekend, we experienced several power outages.  This morning, when I went to the Azbox, it was displaying a youtube screen!?!?!
It didn't materialize into any problem though, a reboot fixed it first time.  However I find it a bit creepy that you report this strange symptom, and then on the weekend that computer networks are shut down by consumer devices connected to the internet, that my Azbox does the same thing.
  I too, have never used the youtube function, and I generally don't have the box connected to the internet, although on a few occasions I have connected it temporarily to attempt to connect to a few servers, but I think this was several years ago before I loaded my current firmware.
   In another post, you said that your firmware was 9.503 .  I'm wondering if you left a digit out of that number?
   Anyway, even though I still think it's a fluke caused by loss of power, and not a problem,  I'd be interested in whether anyone else shows up with this symptom.


I must have looked too quickly at the firmware version. It is 0.9.5308   I think we refer to that as 5308?

To date, I have not had any recurrences of the problem.

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Well I spoke 24 hours too soon. The problem returned tonight. 3 or 4 reboots got it going. 
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Have you checked for bad capacitors?
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Have you checked for bad capacitors?


No, I haven't. 

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Many (most?) power supplies today use a pair of diodes to convert AC to DC.  More than once in my "career" i have seen a system start to misbehave even though it had an apparently good power supply (correct voltage[s]).  A power supply that appears to be good may only produce half its design current if one of the rectifiers/diodes has failed.  Not saying this is boomer_106's problem, but our AZBoxes are approaching "that age" where power supplies can start to fail, and the type of failure I'm describing where the power supply doesn't just go dead but drops instead to "half-power/current/wattage" can make an electronic device behave erratically.  Just a thought.
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Many (most?) power supplies today use a pair of diodes to convert AC to DC.  More than once in my "career" i have seen a system start to misbehave even though it had an apparently good power supply (correct voltage[s]).  A power supply that appears to be good may only produce half its design current if one of the rectifiers/diodes has failed.  Not saying this is boomer_106's problem, but our AZBoxes are approaching "that age" where power supplies can start to fail, and the type of failure I'm describing where the power supply doesn't just go dead but drops instead to "half-power/current/wattage" can make an electronic device behave erratically.  Just a thought.


That's an interesting point. I wonder if schematics or resources are available to take measurements of some of the component areas of the board?

I'm also thinking, there were a lot of problems with corrupted software (firmware) with this box. I'm wondering if that isn't playing a part in it.   

I'm sure most of us remember how the European satellites used to like to come back in the menu. 

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I wonder if schematics or resources are available to take measurements of some of the component areas of the board?


Switching power supplies are all similar. Here is a very good, exhaustive reference:

http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/smpsfaq.htm

You don't really need a schematic to check the capacitors and diodes anyway.
Power down the receiver and let it sit for a while - say 15 minutes - to let the capacitors discharge.
Never work on the receiver while it is plugged in!
Be very cautious of the large high-voltage capacitor in the power supply!
If, for whatever reason it didn't discharge, it could have a few hundred volts across its terminals. Measure its voltage first before proceeding to make sure it's discharged.
Look for and replace any bulging and/or leaking electrolytic capacitors. If some are bulging, you probably should replace all of them.
If they don't cost too much more, replace capacitors rated for 85°C with ones rated for 105°C.
The best way to test electrolytic capacitors is with an ESR meter / AC ohmeter.
Test the diodes with the "diode test" function of a DMM and replace as needed.
Look for scorch/burn marks on the PCB and replace any parts - typically a resistor - with one of the same value, but higher wattage. Be sure to mount the replacement standing off slightly above the board (e.g. 1/8th of an inch) to let air circulate, not tight to the board.

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I wonder if schematics or resources are available to take measurements of some of the component areas of the board?
I'm also thinking, there were a lot of problems with corrupted software (firmware) with this box. I'm wondering if that isn't playing a part in it.   
I'm sure most of us remember how the European satellites used to like to come back in the menu. 

Never seen an Az, so I don't know of its software quirks.
But in general, whether it be computers, STBs, or whatever, I have seen many times when people blame software, that turns out to be a hardware problem and vice versa. It's not like you can bring your STB to the local satellite STB repair shop, so IMO no one will really know until you investigate further yourself.

example investigation on my Openbox S9 some 4 or 5 years ago below. First thing I would do is carefully examine visually for any signs of bulging Capacitors.
Capacitors can and do go bad occasionally without showing any visible signs though.
Then determine if the DC Voltages from the Power Supply were stable, meaning some DC output with little to no AC component riding on top of it.
Some Supplies or Main Boards may have the intended nominal DC voltages printed right on the PC Boards. If they aren't marked anywhere, then measure them anyway and post here. Maybe someone will be wiling to do the same from a working unit for you to compare test points. If all good then at least you can check that off the list of things to suspect.

http://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/post/openbox-s9-power-supply-repair-5974417?pid=1285099285


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