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hello everybody.Finally got my first satellite. What a feeling seeing 100%quality. now the next step . How do we get a picture coming in. This is galaxy 25c  93.2w tp 4021H/30000. For equipment we have                2 -5150F norsat c-band LNB
                     1-HS200 Harvard scientific dual c-band feed horn
                     1-sx88+SE Octagon satellite Receiver
                     1- Venture 24"actuator arm/accordion boot
                     1-octagon 2 way diseqc switch
 v-box 11 diseqc motor positioner
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Our 10 ft. mesh dish is in pretty good shape, the previous owner lost interest trying to get stations in. 
Rick and I spoke recently to help me use the receiver remote, he is out of his office today so I thought I could get some help on his site. we also were wondering we live in British Columbia Canada Fraser Lake area. Any members near us?  
very appreciated if we can get help
 😊what-a-rush-seeing-quality 100%
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What channel are you trying to receive at 93W 4021 H 30000?
Galaxy 25 is no longer at 93W. It was replaced by Galaxy 11. 
I don't think the C band side of Galaxy 11 is being used.

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Indeed, Lyngsat does not show any satellites currently at 93W (although this could be wrong).  Have you tried to blindscan at your current position?  That is how I generally figure out what my dish is pointed at, when I get signal but it's not the signal I want.

Keep in mind, you will also get a black screen (possibly with sound) on any 4:2:2 signals such as ABC or CBS.

I think your best bet to test the system is if you can move to 105W and look for the NBC transponder at 3780 H 30000.  You should always get picture and sound on the "Cozi" channel - and usually on the NBC network channels.  But keep in mind, NBC does not send mixed stereo audio - you need to go to the 4th audio pair, right channel, for mixed mono audio if you want to hear the whole program.
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Galaxy 11 is at 93W.  There are some data muxes on the ku side.
Galaxy 25 is currently at 33E.
tread

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What channel are you trying to receive at 93W 4021 H 30000?
Galaxy 25 is no longer at 93W. It was replaced by Galaxy 11. 
I don't think the C band side of Galaxy 11 is being used.


photoman 76 thanks for answering- I was trying to get channel galaxy 25 then when I did a blind scan found out it was a paid network. I tried looking for galaxy 11-93 west earlier but no luck i will try again tomorrow- may have missed it-
thanks for the info
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Indeed, Lyngsat does not show any satellites currently at 93W (although this could be wrong).  Have you tried to blindscan at your current position?  That is how I generally figure out what my dish is pointed at, when I get signal but it's not the signal I want.

Keep in mind, you will also get a black screen (possibly with sound) on any 4:2:2 signals such as ABC or CBS.

I think your best bet to test the system is if you can move to 105W and look for the NBC transponder at 3780 H 30000.  You should always get picture and sound on the "Cozi" channel - and usually on the NBC network channels.  But keep in mind, NBC does not send mixed stereo audio - you need to go to the 4th audio pair, right channel, for mixed mono audio if you want to hear the whole program.

gdavisloop, since your reply i started blind scanning(Rick also told me the other day)and now i know if they are paid sites or not and saves time. i looked for 105 west and 3780 H 30000 but had no luck.the closest was AMC 18C 105.1 WEST 4021 V 30000 AND 4140 H 30000 BOTH WERE PAID SATELLITES. oh-well tomorrows another day. thank you for your info.
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AMC-18 is the former name of the 105W satellite.  If you could lock 4140 H, you should be able to get NBC at 3780 - UNLESS - you are actually on 103W or 107W rather than 105W - these both have 30000 s/r scrambled channel as well.
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Also, even if the channels are scrambled, in many cases you will still see the channel names.  You can compare these with the expected data from Lyngsat.  I don't really see 4140 H on any of these three satellites, so I'm curious what channel names you are seeing!
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Hi tread and others helping!

My good friends tread (Husband and Wife team) are working hard at setting up a dish all by them selves for the first time ever and they are taking on a lot, but they are bright and quick learners.  They went with a Dual C Band Feed Horn and a couple of good Norsat LNB's going to a DiSEqC Switch and then inside to the SX88+ SE Octagon Receiver.

I just typed up a pretty detailed list of receiver set up instructions on how to edit their satellite list, so they can have 2 satellite names for each satellite, so each one can be for it's own polarity, like Intelsat 11 C H for Horizontal and Intelsat 11 C V for Vertical.

At this point, I don't know if they have Vertical on Port A or Port B, but can figure that out, once they get some channels scanned in and hopefully that once they scan in some channels, be they FTA or Encrypted, then we can figure out what satellite they are on and then move on from there.

I am going to copy and paste below what I wrote to them, as maybe it will be helpful for someone else in the future and also helpful for others trying to help them move forward.

There is a lot to learn, but they have already come a long way.  So positive encouragement will be a good thing!  This is all NEW to them, so they are still learning the various terms and lingo, so patience will be needed.

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tread,

This is what I would like you to try.

Using your signal meter, move the dish east or west, until your meter is going and letting you know you are on a satellite. Once you are peaked as good as possible on a satellite, even though you don't know what satellite it is, then I need you to do some set up in the menu of the SX88 Octagon Satellite Receiver.

You have a cable that comes in from your DiSEqC switch that has the Horizontal LNB and the Vertical LNB connected to, that connects to your SX88.

You will go into the menu of the receiver and you will set up a satellite so it automatically selects between the 2 LNB's.

Using the Remote, go to MENU, then FAV to jump to the main menu.

In Installation with Antenna settings highlighted, press OK.

You are going to set up satellites to match your setup.

To start with, I want you to use the first 2 satellite names in the list of satellites, Intelsat 11 Ku (43.1W) and Intelsat 11 C (43.2W).

What I am going to have you do, it make them both for C Band, but one will be for Horizontal and the other for Vertical.

So highlight the first satellite name in the list, 1 - Intelsat 11 Ku (43.1W) and then Hit the GREEN Colored button on the remote control to EDIT this name.

An Edit SAT box will appear. With the Satellite name highlighted hit the OK button to open up the letter/type writer table.

There will be a flashing line at the end of the satellite name. Cursor down to the bottom of the letter/type writer table and over to the Del spot. Then when you hit the OK button, it will delete the last letter of the satellite name. Hit the Ok button 2 times to delete Ku from the name of the satellite and then move your cursor one space to the Left to the P+ spot and Hit Ok. This changes the letters from lower case to upper case.

Now cursor up to the letter C and Hit Ok and then down to the bottom to the Space spot and Hit Ok, as this will now put a space after the letter C you just added and then cursor up to the letter H and Hit Ok. Now the satellite name will read Intelsat 11 C H. C for C-Band and H for Horizontal.

Now cursor down to the bottom to the Save spot and Hit Ok to save your changes. The will close the letter/type writer table and now you can see the Edit SAT box. Cursor down to Save - Press OK and Hit Ok on the remote.

Now the name will be updated in the satellite list on the left.

Now with the satellite 1 - Intelsat 11 C H highlighted, Hit your Right Arrow to get to the Antenna settings.

Set this menu to these settings by highlighting each of the choices and using your right or left arrow to change them to the following:

LNB power - 18V
LNB freq - 5150
22K - OFF
DiSEqC 1.0 - Port A
DiSEqC 1.1 - OFF
TP - No TP (This might have something in it if you used this name to scan for channels before. If not, then it will say No TP.) It is alright if there is a frequency listed. It will not cause any issues.
Motor settings - Press OK
Search - Press OK

So now, when you do a scan using this satellite name, it will be set for doing C-Band using the LNB freq of 5150 and it will pick Port A of your DiSEqC switch out at the dish. We just don't know if it is connected to your Horizontal LNB or your Vertical LNB. We can figure that out, once you scan some channels in.

Now you will need to Edit satellite number 2 in the list that is named: Intelsat 11 C (43.2W).

Using the same steps as above to get into the EDIT SAT Menu, all I want you to do here is add a Space after the current letter C and then a Upper case letter V for Vertical and then SAVE your setting and back out to the SAT List and make the settings for this satellite as follows. It will be the same as above, but this time, you will set DiSEqC 1.0 to Port B. The name of this satellite will now be Intelsat 11 C V.

So now when you select this satellite to scan with, it will pick Port B of your switch out at the dish and get the other LNB. Again for now, I don't know which one is Vertical and which one will be for Horizontal, but we can figure that out once you scan in channels.

LNB power - 18V
LNB freq - 5150
22K - OFF
DiSEqC 1.0 - Port B
DiSEqC 1.1 - OFF
TP - No TP (This might have something in it if you used this name to scan for channels before. If not, then it will say No TP.) It is alright if there is a frequency listed. It will not cause any issues.
Motor settings - Press OK
Search - Press OK

Now after you have set up these 2 satellites in the receiver menu and you have the dish on a satellite that your meter is telling you that you have found, starting from the SAT list, Highlight the 1st satellite in the list: Intelsat 11 C H and Hit the RED Colored button on the remote control for SEARCH. This button also has F1 on it.

This will take you to the search menu. With the top line MODE set to BLIND and leave the other options the way they are:

Mode - Blind
Multi Stream - OFF
FTA only OFF
TV/Radio - All
NIT search - OFF
Renew channels data - OFF
Search - Press OK

Now go to the Search line on the bottom and Hit OK to let the receiver search.

The receiver will search what ever satellte that you are on for any signals and will add them automatically. It will search from 3700 to 4200 MHz. The way the Blind scan works is it thinks it is controlling the polarity, but actually it cannot do that with the type of set up that you have. It scans one time thinking it is doing Horizontal first and when it gets to 50%, then it scans again thinking that it changed the polarity to Vertical. If you let it do the full 100% scan, then it will find the same channels 2 times, because you have the DiSEqC 1.0 set to Port A and everytime it scans, it is only scanning from the one LNB attached to Port A of your switch out at the dish. So you can actually Hit the EXIT button with the scan reaches 50%, so it does not just rescan the same thing again.

Then you can do the same thing with the 2nd satellite in the list and since you have the DiSEqC 1.0 set to Port B, this time, it will scan using the other LNB on the dish that is connected to Port B.

Do the same thing and you can stop it once it gets to 50%.

Hopefully you will get some channels with each scan. If you do, then let me know the names of the channels it finds and when you go to any of the channels, Hit the INFO button and it will display the Frequency and Symbol Rate and make a list of all of them and let me know what they are and then I will try and figure out what satellite that you are on. Once we figure that out, then we can go further.

 


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If they are setting up the dish for the first time, I would suggest that they find their southern most satellite first.  In their case it would be Galaxy 14 at 125W.
The TBN mux at 3720 H 26667 should be an easy one to find and it's FTA.
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Hi Photoman76,

I believe that they have and using their squawk meter, it seems as though they are tracing the arc, or at least the meter is telling them they are hitting multiple satellites when going east to west.

Your suggestion is a good one though, as that will likely be the strongest one they have, until they are able to fine tune the dish as they learn how to use the signal meter and parameters in the receiver.  At least they were able to get the used dish from someone close by to them and the elevation angle should be close to being set correctly to start.

Of course, any and all help will be appreciated.  They are a couple of really cool kids!

Thanks,

Rick

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