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.... I'm not sure how if it's multicasting it doesn't have to have the correct card selected, but I'm happy anyway.
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Good that you got it working.  
It's not getting the stream from the card, it's getting it from Crazyscan, so it doesn't need the card info.  

BTW, what I did to make it automatic was I made the batch file I mentioned, except that it had the full path to the version 2744 of TSREADER.  I put that file in the directory my current version of TSREADER is in.   Then I went into the Crazyscan.ini and changed the path name for calling TSREADER so that it called my batch file instead of tsreader.exe.    After doing that, whenever I'd click the button in Crazyscan, it called my batch file, which brought up that old version of TSREADER with the UDPunicast source, and it would accept data from Crazyscan.     BTW, it's the unicast not multicast version of UDP.

Now I just wish I could figure out a way to fix my signal on that sat, besides moving my dish again, but anything out at the dish will probably have to wait till spring now.
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That makes sense that crazyscan's controlling the card since you're selecting it under devices, but I haven't used it like this so it's sometimes hard for my slow brain to figure it out, especially if it's never worked for me.  I might do the batch file thing, but right now I'm just happy to have it working "as is".

Thanks for all your help on this as I would have never figured out how to put it all together.  This post will probably help others also.  

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Wow, i was wondering why i wasn't picking up any radio stations on 125.  I have a DVB receiver.  But, luckily, i can reach 55.  Sure enough, I have scanned 79 radio stations in.  Kewl beans, listening to "Up Town Girl" on the 80's channel right now..  [cool]


Amen on the Eighties! Get it on my Sirius lifetime radio i found at thrift shop for a $1. LOL!
But gonna see if can get 55W over the hedges.
Thanks all for nfo!

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Anyone know if a non-commercial non-computer (I have a prof and TBS from rick) that can pick up VCM? Just curious might buy one.
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I switched to the TCP protocol using WEjones setup and used the TCP.dll in TS reader light and MC played with no continuity errors whatsoever.  My questions are, one, does EBS pro not require TS reader to stream these channels?  Second, does the author of TS reader not provide free updates to programs, or does anything you buy from him become antiquated unless you purchase a newer, complete program?

I can't find any receivers that play this, snowman.

Thanks for any info...

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I switched to the TCP protocol using WEjones setup and used the TCP.dll in TS reader light and MC played with no continuity errors whatsoever.  My questions are, one, does EBS pro not require TS reader to stream these channels?  Second, does the author of TS reader not provide free updates to programs, or does anything you buy from him become antiquated unless you purchase a newer, complete program?

I can't find any receivers that play this, snowman.

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I don't know anything about the EBS Pro capabilities.
However re TSREADER, When I first bought TSREADER more than a dozen years ago, I think you were entitled to new updates free of charge.  Then, at some point, I think some people made a version of TSREADER available on the internet, and ROD declared all the old versions as non-supported, and I think changed things so that new features like the TCP source couldn't be used on the old version.  At about that same time, he initiated a license status for each version.  The license lasted for a year, and after that year, you no longer got support for that version, but you could still keep using it, and if it was updated, I think you could download updates for only that version, but I might be wrong about that.  But if he came out with a new version, you'd have to update your license.  This was not the same cost as buying the software again, but I forget how much it was.  Something like $30 +/- 5 or $10.   I went through several updates over the years, but I haven't updated for over a year now.  I'm not sure whether there have been any significant changes to the standard edition or not.  I do know that at one time he posted that he no longer has a satellite setup, which probably inhibits his ability to improve the software.  I also know that while my license was valid, I sent in a few bug reports, which were ignored, so I suspect that he is investing his time with other software.  TSREADER is a great piece of software, even with some of the bugs it has, and I think it's worth the cost even though it is quite expensive for software like this.  There is other software that does much of the stuff TSR does, but aren't quite as convenient to use.


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EBSpro will stream to/through VLC witout any TSReader. I like EBSpro.
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I am using EBSPro and VLC to play Music Choice, utilizing the Prof 7500. (TSReader not required, but I use it sometimes to analyze the signal.)
 
Get it to play by:
1) Blindscan the vertical polarity transonders, then double click on the 4140Mhz transponder. Actually, you can just do an RF Scan (which is quicker) and double click on the 4140 transponder. Then select VLC to play. -OR-
2) Use signal analyzer. Use "Direct Tune (DT)" to enter 4140 Mhz and 30000 s/r, etc. After it locks, then select play with VLC.

Once the Signal analyzer box pops up and locks onto the transponder, choose VLC to play using the selection box in the lower right corner. Also, right above that selection box there is a box labelled "MIS". Music Choice is MIS selection "1". I think MIS 2 is the stream with PGM 1-4 in it, since it rarely displays anything but color bars when selected- when it plays at all. 

Once VLC starts playing, right click on the VLC screen, navigate to Playback, then Program. There, is a list of all Music Choice channels to select from.

There are probably shortcuts to get it to play, too. mc.JPG 

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Hey, thanks for the quick replies all.  I like what I'm seeing so far as the price on EBSpro.  I figure the freebie won't stream..think I saw that, but it looks like they are spending more time making this program current.  I am going to try the freebie out for a bit to get the "feel" of it.  Unlike TS reader, I hope it let's me try it out for more than a minute at a time.

I agree with you WEJones on the author of TS Readers lack of initiative in updating his program...  It's a good program, but honestly a lot of the stuff in it I don't use.

edit:  Well I downloaded ESBpro thinking it would be my saving grace, but to no avail.  And by the way, TS reader always plays the stream great to add insult to injury.

In ESBpro, I do a blindscan.  I'll use ABC at 4121H3000 as my example since it is real strong and even has video.

The scanner finds it no problem with 100 percent quality.  (My music channels also have 100 percent quality).  

Now I click on it and the scanner analyzer pop up window opens and shows all the locked parameters and quality,etc, which are good for the ABC channel.  Since this is a single stream, no selection for that is available.

Down on the lower right button I see the selection VLC(TCP).  I have previously gone into options and set it up as my analyzer letting it autoconfig the setup.

When I click the aforementioned selection, in pops video and audio, for about 1 second and then everything freezes.  This also happens on the music channels, audio and video for a second, then freeze...any ideas.  I'll be happy to post the setup tomorrow, but right now I'm giving up on it for the day..

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Looking through this thread I would think this is a good question aimed right at what is going on.What is the benefit of a provider going the route of ACM/VCM for video?..I have no luck with the TBS 6982 as it does not handle ACM/VCM but did manage to get these ch`s when they were ITC 8psk..Still getting them with an old Motorola Star Choice with updated maps.

Just curious...why ACM/VCM?...FOX News does this also...switching 16--32...yada yada...why?
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Here is an informational paste from another website. Basically it allows for a different FEC for certain data streams. This can be advantageous by feeding low bitrate audio and video (the still frame channels with audio) at a lower FEC since they use less bandwidth. Providers can tune them in more reliably this way. Then you have HD channels in the same stream that need more bandwidth and maybe less providers use them and those providers have larger dishes so you raise the FEC to squeeze more out of the feed and still provide a reasonable service with better HD video.

Here is the paste below:
VCM can be used to provide different levels of error protection to different components within the service. It does this by allowing different combinations of modulation and FEC rate to be applied to different parts of the data stream. ACM extends VCM by providing a feedback path from the receiver to the transmitter to allow the level of error protection to be varied dynamically in accordance with varying propagation conditions. Claims of performance improvements exceeding 100% have been made for ACM in terms of satellite capacity gain.
What is less well known is that the DVB-S2 VCM and ACM concepts can be applied to traditional Single Channel Per Carrier (SCPC) types of services and can offer similar benefits. This whitepaper gives an overview of how these concepts can be used outside of DVB-S2 satellite services

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Well just want to give a "plug" to the developer of EBSpro.  I had installed it and all programs would stream to VLC and then freeze after one second using TCP packets, both audio and video.  I did not try UDP because in TS reader there were too many continuity errors.  

I emailed Christian, the developer, I'm assuming, and he got right back with me and we corresponded a few emails, but really were getting nowhere.  

I was thinking of having him remote in to my computer, but wasn't sure he would want to do that.  Got up this morning and he was asking ME if he could take  look at it via remote.

I said sure.   I suggested 2PM, since it was 6AM here, but found it it was 8PM where he was and said, heck why don't we do it now...over coffee..lol.

Long story short, he remoted in, tried a few things and like me couldn't get stream via TCP to work.  He switched to UDP and it errored some at first,  but seems to smooth out after a while, much,much better than TS reader handled UDP on the Music Choice channels.  I'm happy, we honestly spent close to an hour on it, and that's what I call great one on one support, hands down.

On a side not, my wife was watching (computer runs on the big screen TV) while drinking coffee and remarked innocently, "That guy sure looks like he knows what he's doing"...LOL.



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To add a little more confusion to the subject. I just noticed that I can with just the one TBS 5925 connected get two audio steams playing at the same time via 2 VLC players. I am running both ESBpro and TSReader at the same time. Probably little value in this though.
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That's pretty similar to what I was experimenting with a couple weeks ago in a thread about NBC audio.  Ie I found that I could get all 3 (or 4??) audio streams on those NBC channels on AMC18 (or AMC1) to play at the same time with separate instances of VLC.  That way, you can combine the center, R/L, surround or background, or whatever the different channels were, so you wouldn't be missing dialog or background or commercials, etc.
  So I think it's of value.    [smile]  Of course with music channels, some people may not like listening to hard rock, and classical at the same time.
    BTW, it was kind of neat.... when I was experimenting with PBS instead of NBC, I combined the audio from the east coast and west coast channels, and it was neat that some of their advertisements between shows were exactly synchronized, but then they'd switch to having different commercials, and I'd get audio from both.
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This morning I tried with crazycat,s program the very first one he released and Prof 8000 everything came in just fine.
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