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Thank you for checking the switching options wejones.Kinda a bummer there was never an option with any SW I have found to be able to use a 8x1 or 16x1.
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thanks wejones, I'll resume working on the problems tomorrow morning.  I'll let you both know how this turns out, hopefully I can get it fixed.


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Slight error in my suggestions above.

I just turned on the old CS8100, connected up a 3 wire reversing cable (after mistakenly connecting a straight through cable). 

To test the cable connection, instead of going through the method used to download (computer to receiver);
With the receiver turned ON, I set the program to UPLOAD.  I then went into the device manager/ports, and found out what port my serial port was on, and I set it to 115200 N 8 1 as mentioned above.  Went back to the CS Upgrade 301 program, hit the Port Open button, and it found the port, and printed the port parameters at the bottom.  I then created a file on the computer to do the transfer.
 I then went into the receiver menu, and went to the ADVANCED tab, and selected Channel Upload.  Then, after the Channel Upload window appeared, I hit START on the CSU-301 program, and the channel data file was quickly transferred to the computer.  The program would also now display the receivers hardware/software/model info at the left.

    Anyway, if you can do the above, then I think it's safe to go ahead and do the FW transfer, which is a DOWNLOAD, starting with the receiver OFF.

 
 Also, while I had the 8100 running, I looked into the switch options that Hockey was asking about.  For a non motorized setup, it had options for diseqC (1 thru 4) , SMATV, and Legacy.  Under Legacy, it had a bunch of options like SW21, SW42, 44, 64, with sub-options for each.  If you chose to use a motor via diseqC1.2 or USALS, it looked like you had to use diseqC (1 thru 4) as the only switch option. 
   I don't remember what options were available with the older firmware versions. 

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I was able to make some progress getting the comm ports back and trying to do the upload as you described.  When I would be in the STB menu and tried to select S/W upload, I don't get an upload screen as you described, it simply goes back to the main menu.  At this point I don't know if the problem is the type of cable Im using or not.  Hopefully that is all it is, but I can' t tell right now if either of my cables are the correct type.  All i know is that I can't do the FW download with either one.

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Slight error in my suggestions above.

I just turned on the old CS8100, connected up a 3 wire reversing cable (after mistakenly connecting a straight through cable). 

To test the cable connection, instead of going through the method used to download (computer to receiver);
With the receiver turned ON, I set the program to UPLOAD.  I then went into the device manager/ports, and found out what port my serial port was on, and I set it to 115200 N 8 1 as mentioned above.  Went back to the CS Upgrade 301 program, hit the Port Open button, and it found the port, and printed the port parameters at the bottom.  I then created a file on the computer to do the transfer.
 I then went into the receiver menu, and went to the ADVANCED tab, and selected Channel Upload.  Then, after the Channel Upload window appeared, I hit START on the CSU-301 program, and the channel data file was quickly transferred to the computer.  The program would also now display the receivers hardware/software/model info at the left.

    Anyway, if you can do the above, then I think it's safe to go ahead and do the FW transfer, which is a DOWNLOAD, starting with the receiver OFF.

 
 Also, while I had the 8100 running, I looked into the switch options that Hockey was asking about.  For a non motorized setup, it had options for diseqC (1 thru 4) , SMATV, and Legacy.  Under Legacy, it had a bunch of options like SW21, SW42, 44, 64, with sub-options for each.  If you chose to use a motor via diseqC1.2 or USALS, it looked like you had to use diseqC (1 thru 4) as the only switch option. 
   I don't remember what options were available with the older firmware versions. 

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I was able to make some progress getting the comm ports back and trying to do the upload as you described.  When I would be in the STB menu and tried to select S/W upload, I don't get an upload screen as you described, it simply goes back to the main menu.  At this point I don't know if the problem is the type of cable Im using or not.  Hopefully that is all it is, but I can' t tell right now if either of my cables are the correct type.  All i know is that I can't do the FW download with either one.
...

Well, when you say "I don't get an upload screen as you described, it simply goes back to the main menu",  if you mean that it goes to a screen, but as soon as you hit anything it goes back to the previous menu....  then that's exactly what happened to me when I accidentally used a straight through cable.

Reversing

2 -------- 3

3 -------- 2

5----------5


Straight thru

2 -------- 2

3 -------- 3

5----------5 

 Most people say that you need a NULL MODEM cable, but that's not necessary.  A null modem cable is similar to a reversing cable, but has several additional handshaking wires, which aren't used by the Coolsat. All you need is 3 wires.   If you have an ohm-meter, you can just check to see if  pin 2 goes to pin 3 or pin 2.    If 2 goes to 3, then you're OK, but I'm guessing that you have 2 going to 2.

RS used to sell a null modem adapter and a gender changer adapter.  With those two adapters, you can usually change either type cable to the other. 

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you know I just thought of something.  This is a virgin receiver-FW Version11.15.8A that has not been used yet, hence no channel list.  Regarding the S/W upload, is that uploading the FW or the Channel list?  Could this be why the upload is not working - because there is nothing there to upload??
 
What I mean is that when in the menu and I select SW upload then Ok, the screen immediately returns to the main menu.  NO window or any such other item pops up on screen.

P.S I have the gender changer adapter, just don't really know all the in's and out's about how it can be used.  At one time i used it for a DVB receiver but have not used it in yrs. 

What is the orientation and numbering sequence of the plug so I can test?


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I was able to make some progress getting the comm ports back and trying to do the upload as you described.  When I would be in the STB menu and tried to select S/W upload, I don't get an upload screen as you described, it simply goes back to the main menu.  At this point I don't know if the problem is the type of cable Im using or not.  Hopefully that is all it is, but I can' t tell right now if either of my cables are the correct type.  All i know is that I can't do the FW download with either one.
...

Well, when you say "I don't get an upload screen as you described, it simply goes back to the main menu",  if you mean that it goes to a screen, but as soon as you hit anything it goes back to the previous menu....  then that's exactly what happened to me when I accidentally used a straight through cable.

Reversing

2 -------- 3

3 -------- 2

5----------5


Straight thru

2 -------- 2

3 -------- 3

5----------5 

 Most people say that you need a NULL MODEM cable, but that's not necessary.  A null modem cable is similar to a reversing cable, but has several additional handshaking wires, which aren't used by the Coolsat. All you need is 3 wires.   If you have an ohm-meter, you can just check to see if  pin 2 goes to pin 3 or pin 2.    If 2 goes to 3, then you're OK, but I'm guessing that you have 2 going to 2.

RS used to sell a null modem adapter and a gender changer adapter.  With those two adapters, you can usually change either type cable to the other. 


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you know I just thought of something.  This is a virgin receiver-FW Version11.15.8A that has not been used yet, hence no channel list.  Regarding the S/W upload, is that uploading the FW or the Channel list?  Could this be why the upload is not working - because there is nothing there to upload??
 
What I mean is that when in the menu and I select SW upload then Ok, the screen immediately returns to the main menu.  NO window or any such other item pops up on screen.

P.S I have the gender changer adapter, just don't really know all the in's and out's about how it can be used.  At one time i used it for a DVB receiver but have not used it in yrs. 

What is the orientation and numbering sequence of the plug so I can test?

....


Re numbering, the numbers are usually printed on the plug, but they usually require a magnifying glass to see them.  But it's 1-5 in one row, 6-9 in the other.  If you're looking into the plug from the receiver's perspective, 1,2,3 are right to left on top, if the 5 pin row is on top. 

 You could be right about the no channels to send thing, I don't know. I guess you could create a manual channel and try again. Or perhaps someone can send you a channel file that you can transfer via USB (I'm not sure if the USB transfer was enabled with that age of firmware).  I don't have time today, but could send one tomorrow.  Or....perhaps you could upload the FW instead of channels.   It wouldn't hurt to have a copy of another FW version. As long as you're uploading, there shouldn't be any danger of messing up the receiver.  Really no danger anyway, just that you could make it so that it wouldn't work till you found the right cable.

The gender changer is just used to switch between a plug with pins to a plug with holes, or visa versa (2 types of gender changers).  The null modem adapter converts a straight through male to female cable to a null modem cable.  You could also use it with a gender changer(s) to change a null modem cable to a 3 pin straight through, as long as not used on device that uses hardware handshaking.  It does get confusing though.  I have a box through of all sorts of cables, and converters , of both 9 pin and 25 pin varieties, and converters to go between 9 and 25, and it often takes me an hour to find a combination that works.
   It's usually quicker for me to just make a cable than find one.






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Yea, I'd like to keep a copy of that factory file but as you can see I'm struggling.  A guy at work said that he has a null modem cable and was gonna try to remember to bring it in tonight.  It's a wrap for today, thanks wejones.
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Well I finally caught a break right when I was about to lose my sanity!!  Still working to get the unit flashed to no avail, even with the right cable that I borrowed from a friend at work, still no go getting this unit and the computer to talk.  So I decided to connect the receiver  to the sat feed and check to see if the sat tuner worked because as I mentioned this receiver is new, never been used.  I found a sat that I could work with Echo 7 AKA  or just say 119W on the receivers factory sat list and just tweaked a few items like changing the LOF from 10750 to 5150 and setting it up on DiSeq 1 and wo and behold a signal appeared.  I did the scan and it scanned all the channels on 3920H as you would expect it to.  So now I am a bit relieved to know that at least the sat tuner works.  So just out of curiosity and after studying all the info that WEJONES provided regarding the local OTA channel frequencies, I decided to try to manually tune in the local OTA freq. and to my delight I had signal on the very first one I tried.  Now I am excited and I try yet another signal, and it also comes in with a booming 95% signal!!  Now I'm really excited and convinced that my tuner which I had thought was dead is not and is indeed working very well.  So as WEJONES suggested, I used the info that he provided me in this very same thread and I went channel by channel, freq. by freq. and manually tuned in every channel that was available with a signal!!!   WOW MAN what a lucky break!!  I was almost to the point of throwing in the proverbial towel, and just in time I get this huge lift.  All I can say is I lost alot of sleep messing with this box this week and so now I deserve TO DO NOTHING EXCEPT ENJOY THE START OF COLLEGE AND PRO FOOTBALL THIS WEEKEND!!!   AND -  my extreme gratitude to WEJONES who did all that he could possibly do to help me.  Although I did not achieve what we were trying to accomplish, I did ultimately get what I wanted in just a different manner and nonetheless I noticed and appreciated all your effort.

I have not given up on being able to get the 2.02.5A software on the Coolsat, but right now I am so saturated with it that I need a break from it.

Thanks again to the awesome members of Ricks's, you are the best!!!


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now I know why nothing has worked.  with an ohm meter I have just verified that all 3 of the cables that I have tried including the one that a friend from work let me use are all straight thru.  I'll get the right cable and hopefully that will be the end of this ordeal.  But very happy to know that the ATSC tuner is good after all!!  thanks again wejones.

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I was able to make some progress getting the comm ports back and trying to do the upload as you described.  When I would be in the STB menu and tried to select S/W upload, I don't get an upload screen as you described, it simply goes back to the main menu.  At this point I don't know if the problem is the type of cable Im using or not.  Hopefully that is all it is, but I can' t tell right now if either of my cables are the correct type.  All i know is that I can't do the FW download with either one.
...

Well, when you say "I don't get an upload screen as you described, it simply goes back to the main menu",  if you mean that it goes to a screen, but as soon as you hit anything it goes back to the previous menu....  then that's exactly what happened to me when I accidentally used a straight through cable.

Reversing

2 -------- 3

3 -------- 2

5----------5


Straight thru

2 -------- 2

3 -------- 3

5----------5 

 Most people say that you need a NULL MODEM cable, but that's not necessary.  A null modem cable is similar to a reversing cable, but has several additional handshaking wires, which aren't used by the Coolsat. All you need is 3 wires.   If you have an ohm-meter, you can just check to see if  pin 2 goes to pin 3 or pin 2.    If 2 goes to 3, then you're OK, but I'm guessing that you have 2 going to 2.

RS used to sell a null modem adapter and a gender changer adapter.  With those two adapters, you can usually change either type cable to the other. 


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Solved.  Flashed with a file that I got from wejones.

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now I know why nothing has worked.  with an ohm meter I have just verified that all 3 of the cables that I have tried including the one that a friend from work let me use are all straight thru.  I'll get the right cable and hopefully that will be the end of this ordeal.  But very happy to know that the ATSC tuner is good after all!!  thanks again wejones.

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Quote:
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I was able to make some progress getting the comm ports back and trying to do the upload as you described.  When I would be in the STB menu and tried to select S/W upload, I don't get an upload screen as you described, it simply goes back to the main menu.  At this point I don't know if the problem is the type of cable Im using or not.  Hopefully that is all it is, but I can' t tell right now if either of my cables are the correct type.  All i know is that I can't do the FW download with either one.
...

Well, when you say "I don't get an upload screen as you described, it simply goes back to the main menu",  if you mean that it goes to a screen, but as soon as you hit anything it goes back to the previous menu....  then that's exactly what happened to me when I accidentally used a straight through cable.

Reversing

2 -------- 3

3 -------- 2

5----------5


Straight thru

2 -------- 2

3 -------- 3

5----------5 

 Most people say that you need a NULL MODEM cable, but that's not necessary.  A null modem cable is similar to a reversing cable, but has several additional handshaking wires, which aren't used by the Coolsat. All you need is 3 wires.   If you have an ohm-meter, you can just check to see if  pin 2 goes to pin 3 or pin 2.    If 2 goes to 3, then you're OK, but I'm guessing that you have 2 going to 2.

RS used to sell a null modem adapter and a gender changer adapter.  With those two adapters, you can usually change either type cable to the other. 


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