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Have SW version 11.43.1F in my Cooly 8100 and auto scans just fine.In a great location here in Greensboro.Cooly scans in over 50 ota ch`s! inbetween Charlotte and Raleigh so I get many of there locals and some Martinesville locals also.Using a homemade dual bay bowtie along with a Scientific Atlanta headend driver amplifier.

I wonder if different SW versions for the Cooly affect this option to autoscan?


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interesting.  I'm not running that FW.  I'm running 2.02.5A  I've determined that one of my coolies has a dead OTA tuner, the other one is good.

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Have SW version 11.43.1F in my Cooly 8100 and auto scans just fine.In a great location here in Greensboro.Cooly scans in over 50 ota ch`s! inbetween Charlotte and Raleigh so I get many of there locals and some Martinesville locals also.Using a homemade dual bay bowtie along with a Scientific Atlanta headend driver amplifier.

I wonder if different SW versions for the Cooly affect this option to autoscan?


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wejones, these numbers are not matching up.  I tried the freq for 13 and got the local channel 3 (PBS).  should of been FOX 13.  Tried the one for 8 which is local NBC and no siganl found there.  Do these numbers need to be tweaked?  Impressive list of freq's.  I must ask how you arrived at those numbers?

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Re the channels you're seeing, I think they are doing some strange things where you live relative to "virtual channel" and "transmit channel".  I'd suggest going to http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/tv-query-broadcast-station-search or  http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/tvq.html ( which should both go to the same site, but one of them tries to redirect your browser, and some browsers might be set not to allow redirection).   At the above site, enter your state at the top, then go down to the bottom, and it will list all stations in your state.  Or you can use one of the other options to narrow your search.
    From your Tampa Bay Bucs picture, I'm assuming you're near Tampa, Fl, and if so, I looked up channel 13, which took me to :
http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=21808 
 at which you'll see that the actual station using channel 13 in Tampa, is a PBS station that uses a channel 3 "virtual channel".  Ie, the channel 3 PBS channel is actually transmitting on channel 13.   In most places, these virtual channels are being used by stations that used to be VHF, but are now actually on UHF.  Ie they're using their old VHF channel number so as not to confuse their old viewers.  But it really gets confusing, as you see.

   Relative to the channel list, you can get the actual channel list at many sites.  There is no confusion relative to the frequency band for each channel, but some of the lists seem to get confused relative to the ATSC freq.   My list, which I actually generated using TSREADER, is a list of the center freqs.  For example, at the channel 13 page I gave above, you see that channel 13 is defined by the FCC as being 210-216 MHz.  The freq in my list is 213, which is the center of the band.  I am very confused about the list that's given in Wikipedia, as it gives ATSC freqs that are NOT the center freq, but are very close to the low edge of the band, which can't be right, since for the bandwidth of the ATSC channels to fit in the FCC defined boundaries, they have to be pretty much centered in the band.  I've used the freqs in the list I posted in about 7 or 8 different receivers, and they work for me. 

 If, by chance, you ARE in TAMPA, I used the above site to print out the TAMPA stations, and it gives the following:

 
Call  Channel |  Service Status      City              
WFLA-TV    7     DT      LIC      TAMPA               
WTVT       12    DT      LIC      TAMPA                  
WEDU       13    DT      LIC      TAMPA                   
WFLA-DR    14    DR      APP      TAMPA                    
WSVT-CD    18    DC      LIC      TAMPA                  
WARP-CD    20    DC      LIC      TAMPA-ST. PETERSBURG   
WXAX-LP    26    CA      LIC      TAMPA                   
WTAM-LD    28    LD      LIC      TAMPA                   
WFTS-TV    29    DT      LIC      TAMPA                   
W31CZ-D    31    LD      LIC      TAMPA                    
WUSF-TV    34    DT      LIC      TAMPA                   
WGCT-LD    45    LD      LIC      TAMPA                     
WVEA-LP    46 +  TX      LIC      TAMPA                  
WFTT-DT    47    DT      LIC      TAMPA                    
WRMD-CD    49    DC      LIC      TAMPA                   

I'm guessing that you'll find several stations that are actually on channels other than where you expect them to be.

 You might get a more accurate list by using the LAT/LON option at the above site. 



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Have SW version 11.43.1F in my Cooly 8100 and auto scans just fine.....



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interesting.  I'm not running that FW.  I'm running 2.02.5A  I've determined that one of my coolies has a dead OTA tuner, the other one is good.
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Re the 8100 firmware versions, the ones that end in "F" are pirate firmware, and the ones that end in "A" are factory.  the 2.02.5.A is what I'm running, and is the most recent Factory version available.  Before the company went under, the pirate versions generally worked better than the factory versions, but I think the final 2.02.5A version is probably the most stable, although it can't hurt to try other versions.  I've probably tried a dozen different FM versions, trying to find one that was stable.


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I bought it used wejones off of fleabay.That SW version was in the box when I acquired it.

I hate Coolsat went under because I always liked there box`s for FTA.In my opinion they were ahead of there time.

Know where we can find different SW versions?

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Thanks wejones and hockey.  I'll have to do some more playin round tomorrow.
Hockey I'll look thru some of my old file folders for some other CS FW, I don't think I have any but I will look for you.  I'm shuttin her down for today, C ya tomorrow.

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Well it's been another eventful day working to unmuddle a new coolsat 8100.  Apparently the FW that's on this receiver is factory, but the sat list on it stinks.  So I try to put my 2.02 ver. on it with the usb drive and no go.  So into my files on 3 different computers I go looking for the loader program and the 2.02 file only to find the 2.02 file but no loader program.  So I start looking around on the net for the loader program and I finally find it after hours searching only to find what is supposed to be the 8000 and 8100 loader (ver3.01) is not that and instead I get v.2.24.  So I try to run the file on it anyway and nothing seems to take.  Tried all the different approaches. ie.. hit the rocker switch in back before clicking on the loader to start,  clicking the program to load then hitting the rocker...nothing worked.  I'm calling it a day, very frustrating.  I just did all this a yr. ago when I first got the CS8100 and now find myself having to do it again and it is a royal PITA!  I even had to get some .dll files for windows because the loader wouldn't work without them.  I never thought I'd have to do all that crap again but here I am going thru all the crap again.  Wejones, when you read this maybe you can share some info on something im missing, cause right now Im not hitting on anything.  Callin it a day for now.  Back tomorrow early.
Hockeynut - I did find some extra files if you're interested.  But not sure If you wan to use older files like the 1.44, I've read they're not as good as the 2.02. I can send if you want to try them out.
I obviously really like the CS8100 to have 2 of them, but wow man, this is MOST CERTAINLY THE MOST DIFFICULT STB i have ever worked on and you can see my sig below and see that I have worked on many, plus another handful or so for other people that are not even listed there.  Hands down prize to Coolsat for having the most difficult and uncooperative STB@!!@%#

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I feel your pain Thor.Wish I had the loader and various SW versions to send you.Unfortunatly I lost a boatload of stuff including the goodies for the Cooly 8100 when I had a lightning strike about 2 months ago.Fortunatly I was home when this storm came thru and unplugged everything(almost everything) except ethernet to the puter....Lost puter,Laser Jet printer,Prof 7500.

I just popped the lid on one of my 8100`s and was thinking it might be an easy fix to just pull the working ATSC tuner and install it into the Cooly that has working SW to your liking..It does not seem to be an easy removal of the ATSC tuner tho?

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I bought it used wejones off of fleabay.That SW version was in the box when I acquired it.

I hate Coolsat went under because I always liked there box`s for FTA.In my opinion they were ahead of there time.

Know where we can find different SW versions?


I have about a dozen different FW versions, plus the loader program. You need a serial port and cable to do it though, particularly if you're going to an older version or if you're going between pirate and factory.  If you're just upgrading factory to newer factory, you can use the USB, provided the FW in it isn't real old, but it's usually preferable to first load a file that erases the memory, then load the FW file, and once you erase the memory, you can no longer do the USB upload.
   I'll check on my old computer to see what versions of FW I have.  
 
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Thank you wejones.I guess for me the only reason to change SW would be if there is a SW version that has many switching options.Have never seen a SW version that can accept anything more than a 4x1.Just that alone is why the 8100`s are no longer in my current setup.

Maybe those SW versions and loader can get Thor back in action and have his ATSC tuner working.

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Positioners--Gbox,Vbox`s.
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Well it's been another eventful day working to unmuddle a new coolsat 8100.  Apparently the FW that's on this receiver is factory, but the sat list on it stinks.  So I try to put my 2.02 ver. on it with the usb drive and no go.  So into my files on 3 different computers I go looking for the loader program and the 2.02 file only to find the 2.02 file but no loader program.  So I start looking around on the net for the loader program and I finally find it after hours searching only to find what is supposed to be the 8000 and 8100 loader (ver3.01) is not that and instead I get v.2.24.  So I try to run the file on it anyway and nothing seems to take.  Tried all the different approaches. ie.. hit the rocker switch in back before clicking on the loader to start,  clicking the program to load then hitting the rocker...nothing worked.  I'm calling it a day, very frustrating.  I just did all this a yr. ago when I first got the CS8100 and now find myself having to do it again and it is a royal PITA!  I even had to get some .dll files for windows because the loader wouldn't work without them.  I never thought I'd have to do all that crap again but here I am going thru all the crap again.  Wejones, when you read this maybe you can share some info on something im missing, cause right now Im not hitting on anything.  Callin it a day for now.  Back tomorrow early.
Hockeynut - I did find some extra files if you're interested.  But not sure If you wan to use older files like the 1.44, I've read they're not as good as the 2.02. I can send if you want to try them out.
I obviously really like the CS8100 to have 2 of them, but wow man, this is MOST CERTAINLY THE MOST DIFFICULT STB i have ever worked on and you can see my sig below and see that I have worked on many, plus another handful or so for other people that are not even listed there.  Hands down prize to Coolsat for having the most difficult and uncooperative STB@!!@%#


I may miss answering some of the above, as there are a lot of issues. 
One issue I touched on with Hockey, and that is that if you're going backward it's best to erase the memory first, but before doing anything, I'd make sure that you have the proper serial cable. Most of us have several, and you might be using the wrong one, ie straight through vs reversing. I can't remember which is used with the 8100, but I think it's reversing (ie similar to null modem but you don't need the handshaking lines)   It's been a few years since I've done this, but I think I verified that the cable worked by first trying to extract the channel data from the receiver. If that worked then you're OK to proceed. 
    Another issue, which is real common with these DVB receivers is that when they say upload, they mean the opposite of what I usually think.  Again, make sure you're going the right way, by playing with channel data first, since that won't mess too much up, and it will be handy to have a data file.   But if you have the wrong cable or try going in the wrong direction, I think it just sits there.
  There are some info files out on the web, which explain how to do the firmware download for the 8000/8100, and the file suggests that timing is critical with respect to when you flip switches, and push mouse buttons, but that file must be only for the 8000 or an older version of the loader program, because with my 8100, there were no timing issues at all.  If I remember right (I have this written down somewhere), you just run that ver 301 loader program, and provided that you've chosen the right direction, you select the file to upload, and click start or something with the receiver OFF, then, I could take as much time as I liked, in fact, I had to walk around behind my desk to get to the back of the receiver, and I'd turn the switch on.  When the switch goes on, the receiver polls the serial port, and the transfer starts, and I think you see the progress bars both on the computer and on the receiver.  
    For the CLEAN file that erases memory, the transfer only takes a couple seconds, because it's only about 16 bytes long.  I think it just has a vector to a command in the receiver's memory that erases the application memory or something.   But after that is accomplished, you repeat the process, but with the real firmware file.  The real file probably takes a good 5 minutes to transfer. 
  You mention the sat list.  The last 2 or 3 firmware versions, and you have the most recent, have a sat list that I think you can't add to, however I think that you can re-name satellites that you can't see from your location which accomplishes the same thing.  It's been so long though that I can't remember if there were any problems with that process.  If you go too far back in firmware, you'll get to a state where you COULD add satellites, however there was a 31 sat limit (or something like that).  It was basically that there was a BIG list of available sats from which you could select 31 user sats.  This usually wasn't enough if you're trying to define both C and Ku and DBS sats, so the newer firmware is probably better from that aspect. 
    I really think that most recent firmware is probably the best, once you learn how to use it, but yes, the sat list was annoying, but it was better than what they had with the 31 sat limit.
  
    When I first got my 8100, I bought it used, and it already had pirate firmware.  At that time, there were several features that just didn't work with the factory firmware, but the features DID work with the pirate firmware, so I left it in there.  But eventually the factory firmware caught up with the pirate firmware (I'm convinced that the pirates were actually writing the factory firmware, because once my 8100 went berserk, and some pirate features appeared on the factory firmware).  But after the features began working on the factory firmware, I switched over to it.
Another thing though, if you go too far back in firmware versions, then there was something real important that wouldn't work.  I think it was recording high bitrate video, or DVB-S2 or something essential.  It was the reason I stuck with the pirate firmware for a while.  But once you get the more recent FW of either factory or pirate, the receiver does a nice job of playing and recording just about anything.   The only reason I stopped using it was that I wanted the capability to see the CBS 4.2.2 feeds, and that receiver didn't do 4.2.2, so I got an Azbox, and stopped using the 8100. 
   But it's still a good idea to learn how to load firmware even if you stay with the new firmware, because if your receiver freezes up or gets corrupted or something, sometimes the only way out is to reload the firmware. 
   Anyway, I'll try to look up and find my loader program, and the clean file and see which firmware versions I have here, and I'll post what I have.
There is also some info over on the satguys forum, but I'm not confident they use the same loader, because they have a significantly different set of instructions for use of the loader that the method I used.  They also talk about installing the loader and another file in two parts, which isn't necessary unless you have a very old windows installation that is missing some dll files, which is what you mention above, so I'm wondering if there are two versions of that 301 loader file out there, because I was using a very old computer, and didn't need to do anything but run the loader program.
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It occurred to me that this question had been asked before, and I put a zip file on the web with a bunch of 8100 files. 
The file is at http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/sat/cs8100-files.zip

That file has a bunch of both factory and pirate files.  It also has the loader program I used.  It also has the directions, which I copied from some web page.  I didn't use a couple steps, one I mentioned, and one was a step to load some factory flash file.  Never seemed to need that. I think it was a very early factory firmware.  Sometimes I would do that, but usually not, mainly because I was usually going to and from factory versions anyway.

BUT... in looking once again at that set of directions, I finally realized why some people needed those .dll files(actually they were .ocx files), and I didn't.  It finally dawned on me that they were files that come with visual basic, and I've always had visual basic loaded on my computers, so I didn't seem to need them.   So that probably explains what I thought were differences in the loader program.  

Also, that version Hockey has is a very early version, but I think it worked OK.  I can't remember what switch options were in the new versions. Thor probably knows better since he's more current with it.

 

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wejones you are of the greatest sat helper ilk and should be praised.  Hockeynut gets an honorable mention also. 
Unfortunately I've hit yet another snag.  After downloading the loader programs yest. now I have a comm port missing error on both the desktop and laptop computers.  Cannot proceed.  I thought it would be related to the .ocx files, but a quick check into windows/sys32 directory found that they are there.  Tried uninstalling program, removing and deleting the downloads and I still have missing com port error.  Man, it just keeps going from bad to worse. 

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wejones you are of the greatest sat helper ilk and should be praised.  Hockeynut gets an honorable mention also. 
Unfortunately I've hit yet another snag.  After downloading the loader programs yest. now I have a comm port missing error on both the desktop and laptop computers.  Cannot proceed.  I thought it would be related to the .ocx files, but a quick check into windows/sys32 directory found that they are there.  Tried uninstalling program, removing and deleting the downloads and I still have missing com port error.  Man, it just keeps going from bad to worse. 

Are you sure you're using the right comm port?  I think that program just grabs the first one it finds, which particularly on a laptop, might be a built in modem.  Also, on a laptop, if you're using one of those USB<-->Serial things, they tend to keep switching which port they are on.  However on the desktop, assuming it has real comm ports, I would go into the device manager/ports, and see what the correct COMM port number is, and while you're there, you might just set the parameters to (I think 115200, N,8,1). It shouldn't be necessary to set up the port parameters, since the program should do that, but I've seen some programs fail at that, and if I set the parameters myself, then things worked.  But these modern computers are getting worse and worse with respect to dealing with comm ports. With some devices I have to go back to old computers.

  But if you do find a useable comm port, in looking at this again, on that program UPLOAD is receiver to computer, and DOWNLOAD is computer to receiver.  The program defaults to DOWNLOAD, but I'd really recommend doing an UPLOAD first to make sure that everything is working. I think you have to do browse first to create a file name to store the file in, then I "THINK" that it gives you a choice of whether to transfer a FW or channel file, but it's been years since I've done that. I may try it again today to refresh my memory.

 Serial ports do get annoying, particularly if you're writing your own programs, and I've written several programs to control X-10 devices and assorted radios, TNCs and scanners and things.  I usually keep an old modem or something around that will answer "AT" commands just to tell me if the comm port is functional.

 
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Slight error in my suggestions above.

I just turned on the old CS8100, connected up a 3 wire reversing cable (after mistakenly connecting a straight through cable). 

To test the cable connection, instead of going through the method used to download (computer to receiver);
With the receiver turned ON, I set the program to UPLOAD.  I then went into the device manager/ports, and found out what port my serial port was on, and I set it to 115200 N 8 1 as mentioned above.  Went back to the CS Upgrade 301 program, hit the Port Open button, and it found the port, and printed the port parameters at the bottom.  I then created a file on the computer to do the transfer.
 I then went into the receiver menu, and went to the ADVANCED tab, and selected Channel Upload.  Then, after the Channel Upload window appeared, I hit START on the CSU-301 program, and the channel data file was quickly transferred to the computer.  The program would also now display the receivers hardware/software/model info at the left.

    Anyway, if you can do the above, then I think it's safe to go ahead and do the FW transfer, which is a DOWNLOAD, starting with the receiver OFF.

 
 Also, while I had the 8100 running, I looked into the switch options that Hockey was asking about.  For a non motorized setup, it had options for diseqC (1 thru 4) , SMATV, and Legacy.  Under Legacy, it had a bunch of options like SW21, SW42, 44, 64, with sub-options for each.  If you chose to use a motor via diseqC1.2 or USALS, it looked like you had to use diseqC (1 thru 4) as the only switch option. 
   I don't remember what options were available with the older firmware versions. 
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