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I'm probably not running a fact. bin.  it is the 2.02.5A.  thanks for the feedback guys but I've not been able to delete the sat and/or transpnder so I'm back to square one.  I had this problem with this receiver when I first got it.  got tired of it not getting S2 feeds so I got the vantage.  Vantage works great on the same s2 feeds so I thought I'd give the coolie another shot but it is lame as ever, though all I hear is good things about it .... I have not seen it.



Any firmware that ends in "A" is factory.  If it ends in "F", it is pirate. 
The 2.02.5A mentioned above is the most recent firmware, ie the 2025 I refered to above.  That firmware is a few years old, but there isn't anything newer, unless some new hacker version has come out.  


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Any firmware that ends in "A" is factory.  If it ends in "F", it is pirate. 
The 2.02.5A mentioned above is the most recent firmware, ie the 2025 I refered to above.  That firmware is a few years old, but there isn't anything newer, unless some new hacker version has come out.  




I found 2.02.5A works best on my coolsat8000

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Sorry, I don't have any firmware files for the coolsat. The 1.44 version was the one loaded when I got the receiver. I'm not sure where you can find firmware files for these receivers now. I also don't have any channel editor software. I'm not sure if any ever existed for these receivers.
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I have a bunch of different firmware versions for the 8100, and I have a copy of the 2025A  and the older 1444A versions for the 8000 if you want to try them.  The 8100 and 8000 are almost identical, in fact the 8100 uses a motherboard that has 8000 stamped on it.  Only difference is the fan and the USB port.  However I don't think the 8100 firmware can be used on the 8000, since the file size is different for 8000 firmware.  
   Also, there are directions for loading the firmware on the 8000 and 8100, which seem to be slightly different.  They both use the same loader program, which I have also, if anyone is interested, but the directions seem to be different relative to when to push buttons relative to when you turn the receiver on, etc.  I'm guessing that the 2 receivers must have a rom that IDs the receiver, and keeps the loader from putting on firmware from the wrong receiver. I have a post from an 8000 user who claims that the loader is different, and has to be loaded in two parts, but I think that is because old versions of windows didn't have the .dll files needed by the loader.  I used the same loader for my 8100, and just ran the loader program without any other program.
If you change firmware versions, there is a CLEAR memory firmware, that is a very short program that deletes the memory.  It's best to run that before putting in new firmware.  With the newer firmware versions, it's not necessary if you're going forward, but if you go backward to older firmware, or if switching between factory and hacker, you really should clear first. 
  You need a serial port to load firmware.  And I think the CS8000/8100 use a reversing cable (null modem cable will work, but you only need 3 wires).

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I thought that you could pull the file right off your receiver with the upload feature; not positive but I think so. if you had a usb stick it would be pretty painless. 


The 8000 doesn't have USB.  Might be possible to to pull it off over a serial connection, but I'd have to build myself a cable by the sound of things. It sounds like people are happier with the newer firmware so somewhere down the line I may try an upgrade, but for now it works well enough on the old firmware. More likely I'll run it until it dies and then buy an AzBox.


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I too find the channel sorting useless.  especially hate the way it will give the same sid channel number to multiple channels on different transp. or satellites and you wind up with a bunch of channels with the same number. 


I think that is all dependant on what is configured in the transport stream. The FTA stuff is all setup to be picked up by a commercial receiver that is only ever tuned to one feed so they usually just go SID 1-x on all of them.  A service like DISH or Bell will setup all their channels with different SIDs,  NBC doesn't call up ABC and ask what SIDs they use on their national feeds so they can be sorted differently in our receivers.  So, not really a bug just a feature not useful to non-pirates.


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Anyway I really do appreciate you getting me going on the Coolsat.  From what you're telling me, they look to function the same way.


Not a bad receiver. Has it's quirks but so do the rest. Good tuner. 

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Found files for the 8000 from Iceberg on satelliteguys.us.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/177989-coolsat-software-2025-wow-what-diference.htm


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I thought that you could pull the file right off your receiver with the upload feature; not positive but I think so. if you had a usb stick it would be pretty painless. 


The 8000 doesn't have USB.  Might be possible to to pull it off over a serial connection, but I'd have to build myself a cable by the sound of things. It sounds like people are happier with the newer firmware so somewhere down the line I may try an upgrade, but for now it works well enough on the old firmware. More likely I'll run it until it dies and then buy an AzBox.

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Re USB transfer on the 8100.  If I remember right, if you have later versions of firmware, the USB transfer could be used for going forward in firmware version, however if you were trying to go backwards or to hacker firmware, it wasn't reliable.  Also, if you ever run into problems, like a bad transfer or something, then to get the receiver back to life, you needed to do the above mentioned memory CLEAN operation, and once the memory is cleared, you can't use USB anymore until you get some version of firmware in there.  So you could use USB, but even if you do, it's good to have the capability to use the serial port to rescue the receiver if something goes wrong. 

Re building the serial cable, I built the ones I used, however I think most people just bought a null modem cable cable. I think RS has them, plus RS used to have null modem converters to convert a regular cable to null modem. If you have, or buy a regular cable, and get the converter and a gender changer, then you can go either way.   

Re the channel sorting,  I think that I tended to use the favorite channels function, although it took a long time to get the channels set up.  Once set up, it was pretty convenient. There is a blue button on the remote, with which you can toggle through modes, one of which is to MOVE the channel, so you can get them in order.  When there are only a few channels on the screen, it's not to difficult to get them in a logical order, plus you can toggle to a re-name function. 
   I really liked the CS receiver, if only it wouldn't reboot and/or freeze.  With the new firmware, it would only do that once every day or two, but it always seemed to pick a time when I was watching something.   My first 8100 NEVER rebooted.  


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Found files for the 8000 from Iceberg on satelliteguys.us.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/177989-coolsat-software-2025-wow-what-diference.htm




I was going to mention that thread.   That's the thread I was referring to when I said something above about some people posting that you had to install the loader program in two parts.  When I used the installer on my 8100, I never had the problems that Iceberg mentioned.  I think the process SHOULD be a lot simpler than he described.   There is also a file called something like the CS8000 Bible, which describes how to do the transfers, and it talks about the timing being critical between turning the receiver on, and starting the transfer on the computer.  When I did the transfers with my 8100, timing was not an issue.  I think I just started the transfer on the computer, then walked around to the back of the rack, and turned on the switch on the back of the 8100.  Real simple.  It may be different on the 8000, but it seems strange that two almost identical receivers would be that different.


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thanks guys but from what I've read I think I'll keep it simple and stay with the 2.02.5A FW.  I just started testing it again a few days ago and its doing ok, only 1 freeze up and I just started working with the PVR (wow is this a weird one) but it did make the recording although in 2 parts, don't really understand that and need to make some more to see how it works but the programming of it seems a little overkill or out of this world, makes no sense to me at all.

 

As far as the tuner, my jury is still out on this.  AFter Bluzee tipped me off on what to do to get 3780 H and 3940 H on AMC18, it got them.  So I proceed to scan another xponder 3920V and it only picked up 3 channels (none of the HD).  and get this... the channels that the coolie picked up the vantage did not.  but the vantage picked up all the HD channels and none of the others that the coolie got.  I don't know why two different receivers pointed at the same satellite can vary so widely.  thanks to all for your replies.  I'd be curious if Bluzee you could scan 3920V on your coolie and see what you get.


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Yah the 8000 isn't scanning that transponder properly now.  I have 2,3, 4,5,6,7,8,10,11, 14  in the receiver from a previous scan. Right now it mostly just scans in 10,11, 14.  Sometimes it scans something like 5, 7, 10, 11,14 .   Never has scanned in 1 or 9 but both are crypt.  VLC shows 1-14. 

The 8000 freezes very rarely and spontaneous reboots are also rare. Spontaneous reboots are totally based on the stream. There are some it just doesn't like. The old NBC SD feeds would make it reboot every few minutes. Since then I've only seen that happen on one other stream but I can't remember what that was. Might have been one of the PBS. The one that just went to fibre perhaps. Can't remember.

Wish VLC had a hotkey to flip through channels.

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bluzee , what is VLC?  So far the coolie is doing good I would say.  ive only had to reboot it once.  think im gonna stay on AMC18 for a little while and experiment with the reservation/recording feature.


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Yah the 8000 isn't scanning that transponder properly now.  I have 2,3, 4,5,6,7,8,10,11, 14  in the receiver from a previous scan. Right now it mostly just scans in 10,11, 14.  Sometimes it scans something like 5, 7, 10, 11,14 .   Never has scanned in 1 or 9 but both are crypt.  VLC shows 1-14. 

The 8000 freezes very rarely and spontaneous reboots are also rare. Spontaneous reboots are totally based on the stream. There are some it just doesn't like. The old NBC SD feeds would make it reboot every few minutes. Since then I've only seen that happen on one other stream but I can't remember what that was. Might have been one of the PBS. The one that just went to fibre perhaps. Can't remember.
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Re not scanning in all the channels, yeah, I used to have occasional problems back when PBS had the 9 channel mux on 12180 AMC21.  The darn thing would only scan in 2 or 3 of the channels, usually the same ones, so it would take me half a day to get all 9 of them scanned in.  Weird.  I was convinced then, that it was the result of poor signal, because back then I was seeing AMC21 through the trees. It would scan them in on my other dish at the time, so I had to trick it by switching coaxes.   It seemed like after I cut some tree limbs that the channels scanned in OK.

Re the reboots, when my 8100 was rebooting, it would happen regardless of what transponder I was on.  I'd wipe the memory clear, and load new firmware, and scan in one OTA ATSC channel, and one strong DVB SD channel, and wait, and it would usually freeze within a half hour.  I eventually improved the cooling, and then upgraded to the 2025A firmware, and the reboots only occured maybe once every 2 days.  I think they were heat related.  The 8100 has this little miniature fan, about the size of a half dollar, and I think that it wasn't turning on my 2nd one.  I first improved the ventilation by putting a BIG fan on top of the air vents, and that helped.  Then I opened it up and replaced the little fan with the fan that came out of my 1st 8100 that didn't have the reboot problem.  I don't think that most 8000s had fans, so if they are rebooting, I'd suggest adding one.  

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VLC is a computer media player that can play DVB satellite using a PC card or USB device.

My 8000 would reboot only when tuned to the NBC SD feed.  Everyone said the problem was heat so I took the cover off and set it on the floor with a 24" house fan blowing on it. Didn't change a thing. Since NBC SD is gone it basically never reboots spontaneously anymore.

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have you ever used the box for recording onto a HDD.


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have you ever used the box for recording onto a HDD.



It's been a few years since I've used my 8100, but yes, I used it to record.  I can't remember how well it worked, but I think it worked better than my Diamond 9000, and it worked a LOT better than the Azbox.  It is similar to most receivers that record to USB hard drives formatted in FAT or FAT32, in that it divides long recordings into multiple files.  But those files play back seamlessly, so it's not an issue.  I do seem to remember that the multiple files are smaller in size than with the Azbox or Diamond though, ie perhaps 2 GB instead of 4 GB, but I might be remembering wrong.

   All this talk about CS-8100 has me thinking about replacing my Diamond 9000 with the Coolsat again.  I used to use the CS and Diamond side by side, each with a USB hard drive, but when I got my Azbox, I decided to replace the CS with the Azbox.  If I replace the Diamond, I'll probably soon remember other reasons that I chose to replace it, but it might be interesting to play with it for a while.

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similar deal with me.  I was running a sonicview 8000 which did HD but soon after I realized that alot of the channels were s2 and the SV didn't do S2 so that got me into looking for a box to replace it.  Before the SV I ran a Viewsat Pro which was a really nice box, which recorded to an external HDD but again didn't do S2.  So after I did alot of reading in the didn't forums I saw where the Coolsat 8100 was getting alot of fanfare for being a great box.  I started looking for one on ebay and found one.  I used it for a few weeks but I was really disappointed with the box'es inability to channel sort.  on top of that it was not getting the channels I wanted on AMC18 thats why I started this thread but I didn't do it right then so I started thinking that the CS was a bad receiver that was not gonna work for me.   While I was looking at the AZBox as my next receiver I ran into a guy who wanted to sell his vantage 1100.  He got it from Rick and he said it was a great box.  since it was used I paid about half price for it and started checking it out.  I really like the Vantage but the timeclock problem is an issue when you want to do scheduled recordings and still use the dish to move around to other channels.  so I was disappointed with that and it also frequently lost it's connection with the HDD.  So I pulled out the Coolsat again to give it another shot and that's why i started this thread.  In the few days I've been using it I only rebooted it once and it has not missed a recording and it allows you to set the time perfectly.  I'm gonna keep the coolie running for now, I find it more dependable than the vantage if you're interested in recording at all.  I've figured out how to program the reservations for recording but it is a bit strange and not like anything I've ever seen before.  I havn't started moving around to the different sat's yet cause I wanted to concentrate on gettin the recordings going again and just familiarizing myself again with it, I really didn't give it much of a chance the first time.  This time I am alot more satisfied with it as I can now get the channels on AMC18 thanks to BLUzEE (or most of the one's I wanted anyway; it still has a problem with 3920 V and gettin those channels) and I'll just have to get a little bit better at renaming channels and finding some logical way of grouping them since sorting by sid which I usually do or by alphabet is not that good.  It's still too early to tell on the Coolsat so I will work with it for a few weeks and then decide which one to keep in place.  BTW, don't know much about DIAMOND; if it is older receiver like my Viewsat Pro, it probably don't do S2 and today that is a necessary feature.  I have about 4 or 5 good receivers which I have retired becuase they can't do S2.


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