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babadem...try ticking/checking the NO SDT button. Also make sure the USE PIDS is unchecked.
It is still hit and miss but I am getting it to record on my system atleast 35-40 mins each time now, sometimes the full hour.
Just trying the different options to get it to be completely consistent. 
I wont be back home until Sunday/monday to experiment more.

I wonder if my info was kept over from Football season when they (CBS) were $ during games?

I had my settings as you stated above during my tests but no luck.

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Thanks babadem. I'll keep working!
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I have continued to experiment with recording CBS. I may be wrong...But I believe it is a STB memory issue. I installed the latest version of HDMU (9/22 I think) and installed the plugin clear memory. I found that when CBS is tuned and recording on the minime there is less than 2% memory available. Any blip and it goes ... and I think the STB shuts down the usb recording to save resources. I went in and created  the dummy CBS channel on 4080 V. It displays and transcodes nothing but keeps the tp tuned. I disabled and removed all of the plugins I could. I then through button assignment made a long red button press bring up clear memory. I was able to get the memory to be in the 40% range on CBS when I started to record and then switched to dummy channel. I think there is about 17% memory free while recording. It seems to record much much longer now. I'm wondering if there is a swap plugin that I can load to free up even more memory. i think the older kernels worked in recording better because they did less and used less memory...pure speculation on my part. But my working like this has taken the recording form 30 seconds to 1 minute....to atleast 35-40 minutes fairly regularly.

 Does anyone know of a swap plugin or how to free up even more memory so I can continue to test? maybe someone can try and duplicate my test.

Thanks!

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Are you sure you need a plugin? I looked through https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/swap and it seems to me you could create a swapfile /media/hdd/swapper, create a noauto entry for it in /etc/fstab, then as long as you have an internal HD (or better yet, SATA SSD) first mounted, use swapon to mount it whenever you want to record CBS.
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There is a lot of info in this thread
http://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/post/openatv-6-0-test-images-me-minime-8382002?trail=345#331


but I thought I would try to move the recording issues back to this thread, and leave the other thread for the development of the atsc and TBS usb tuners for the azboxes.


1. I have found that with the openatv 3.0 with 3.3.1 kernel that I am now having 100% success rate recording CBS with the minime. However there was something I found that seems to make this possible. I had to format the hard drive to ext2 format. WHen it was ext 4 or ext 3 the hdd was either not recognized, work sometimes spinners other,  or would stop at varying times in a recording. Since I have formatted it to ext2 there has not been an issue whatsoever ...color bars to program...program to color bars etc seem to not effect it.  Timer recordings and instant recordings alike. The HDD is a usb old 80 gb sata from about 8-10 years ago so the HDD is not an issue it seems.

SO it may not have been the memory or cpu or anything else. This same image was hit and miss with ext 3...seems stable as a rock now. WIll need to test for a week or more but so far good to go. 

Thank you Daz and others...hopefully others will be able to repeat my results. I have no idea on the ME...this is just for minime. Here are the telnet instructions to format HDD to ext 2.


I have not tried this in any way with 3.92 kernel...I am afraid to change anything with the success  [smile] Others may try and report results! I also have clearmem plugin installed and running once every 30 mins to keep memory clear. I have not tested it without it.

Clearmem plugin :  https://www.dropbox.com/s/oa3ggxm74k0pnyr/enigma2-plugin-clearmem_1.08_all.ipk?dl=0
Openatv for minime: (me can also be found there be careful do not get 3.1 it is 3.92 kernel)
http://images1.mynonpublic.com/openatv/3.0/index.php?open=azboxminime



Code:
umount /dev/sda1        (put in your own HDD location)


Format the unit in Ext3 through linux.

Code:  mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1       (ext2 worked on minime also need to put location in this case it is sda1)


Mount the usb/hdd.    

(I did not useany of the below  this,  I just went in to recording paths and selected where it was...sda1...up to you)

Code: mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb 


Create a folder called Movie for the recordings.

Code:  mkdir /media/usb/movie


Chmod to 777 for the recordings ,etc.

Code:  chmod 777 /media/usb/movie


Thanks!!!!!

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this is the most stable that I have seen the azminime. 4 days and no spinners. Lots of recordings and playbacks of CBS 4:2:2 only. Noting but success...which in itself has me worried [smile] 
My question is the following:
Does the azbox minime (and or others) modify the stream it records to put it on the HDD in ext 3 or 4 ? IS ext 2 what the original stream is and therefore requires no mod by receiver to put it on HDD?
My theory is that the streams have to be modified  or modified more by the receiver to record it on the HDD in ext 3 and ext 4 format and that the labor intensive 4:2:2 HD streams tax and max out the receivers resources and it shuts off the stream. However either no or little mod is done to stream to record it in ext 2 format on HDD therefore less or little more resources are needed ..keeping the stream flowing nice and the recordings finishing and the receiver not locking up or spinners.

Can anyone help me with this theory by either shooting it down or explaining it better.

Thanks in advance!!!!!

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I'm not a developer, but as a long-time user of Linux, I am aware of some things:

Filesystem types and transport stream types are unrelated. IOW, the original stream or what gets saved to a file has no filesystem type. The .ts extension is simply a convenience for humans and some apps, as the normally relevant file structure data is integrated into the file.

Files recorded to EXT2, EXT3 or EXT4 are identical byte for byte, but filesystem metadata, and the kernel and RAM overhead required to manage it, differs by filesystem type.

EXT3 is identical to EXT2 except for the addition of journaling.

EXT4 has deep roots in EXT2/3 and adds advanced features, some of which are optional.

The filesystem driver is built into the AZBox kernel rather than as a separate module (aka driver).

Kernel and filesystem driver must have adequate RAM to handle the journaling process in addition to the file I/O process.

When the initial AZBox model was released, the EXT4 filesystem was not yet mainstream, so the EXT4 driver was still evolving. Thus, the pre-ME models had either no EXT4 support, or it was not recommended, or was defective (I have no idea which).

The 3.3 and 3.9 kernels were released well after EXT4 went mainstream, and a replacement driver optimized for EXT4 introduced. Eventually the EXT2/3 driver was deprecated, as the EXT4 driver was designed to support EXT2/3. EXT2/3 driver support was scheduled to be dropped from the 4.3 kernel due to maturity of EXT2/3 support in the EXT4 driver. The initial development of the EXT4 driver, and the initial decline in EXT2/3 driver maintenance roughly coincides with the Enigma2 early development period. I believe this likely to have played a detrimental role in Enigma2 kernel and driver development as regards recording and playback.

I would not attempt to use EXT4 on an AZBox. I use EXT2 on my HD+ and EXT3 on my ME. I didn't start using EXT4 on my PCs until about two years ago, and still use mostly EXT3.

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I think there is a lot more at play here.

some of the main driver releases quote improvements specific to high bandwidth transponder (4:2:2).. maybe you could try a bulk standard 3.9.2 kernel imaghe, but then download an older set of drivers and see if that changes anything.. we know how buggy the drivers were and stuff that worked with the 3.3.1 driver, was broken in 3.9.2 and vice versa.
the other unknown are the sigma tangox drivers. while they were bundled in the 3.3.1 linux archive, the 3.9.2 image created them in an external patch.
It appears that they were the same set of drivers, but always way older than 3.3.1 or 3.9.2 . and there may well be a problem with one or more in 3.9.2 which didn't show same way in 3.3.1.
(as example I quote the SATA drivers, which didn't build in oatv build environment until i replaced them with a newer version I found on the http://www. - and those may still not work perfectly)

Its just a big mess...
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let me know specifically what you want me to do...
load normal 3.92 image and try ext 2 recording?

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I loaded Daz's 3.92 kernel and opaenatv 6.0 that came with it. Before when trying to record CBS 4:2::2 it would , like all 3.92 kernels and images..... fail after a few seconds or a minute at most. 
However it is recording fine now!!! The whole key is to format HDD in ext2. timer recordings of an hour or more are working great just like with 3.3.1 kernel mentioned above.

I assume this will be the case for any 3.92 kernel and image.


To record high bit rates and 4:2:2 with azme or minime ...format HDD to ext2. All will be well.

I think this ends our work here!!!!! 

A big thank you to all who contributed..at long last the azbox me and minime recording issues with CBS and other 4:2:2 high bit rate feeds is solved and put to rest!

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I was curious as to how my hard drive was formatted after reading this post. Since I had never used putty I had my son log into the box. It appears to be formatted ' ext4.' I had no idea since it had been so long when it was installed. If I remember right the Az was used to format the hard drive. Any way the boot that I am using is HDMU and it records and plays back CBS just fine. In the past I remember recordings being cut off but I don't remember what it was booted to. Any way last week I recorded an hour of the west feed and it recorded and played back just fine.
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biggt which azbox?  and which kernel ? 

I think the azme has enough memory to overcome some of the issues with ext 3....and possibly ext4 if it is there as well. The minime doesnt seem to.[smile]
Glad it is doing great!

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With the Me, how can I format the drive EXT2?

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rempfer.....use computer and putty...see post 35 above.

Let me know how it works for you rempfer!




Code:  umount /dev/sda1 (put in your own HDD location)


Format the unit in Ext2 through linux.

Code: mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda1 (ext2 worked on minime also need to put location in this case it is sda1)


Mount the usb/hdd.

(I did not useany of the below this, I just went in to recording paths and selected where it was...sda1...up to you)

Code: mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb


Create a folder called Movie for the recordings.

Code: mkdir /media/usb/movie


Chmod to 777 for the recordings ,etc.

Code: chmod 777 /media/usb/movie

 


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props to mountainer to try ext2 ..
what did you have before? ext3 or ext4 ?

i might have a alook in the 3.9.2 kernel code if there is anything relating to ext3/4 that could be improved..
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