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Having the tuner as a user replaceable option would be best.  However, it sounds like the case is getting ready for production.  If this new receiver is at a price point similar to previous Manhattan receivers, then I don't think that the cost is justified.  If ATSC 3.0 is not even a standard yet, then I wouldn't wait for it.  Why the FCC would be pushing for something that is not backward compatible seems a bit odd, but I haven't been following ATSC 3.0.  Is there a summary of the new features posted anywhere in these forums?


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I'm sure I'm not the only one still looking forward to this receiver.   With regards to your tuner decisions, would you consider modular tuners like this Hi3796M device which might allow for pathway to ATSC 3.0 if you genuinely think that's an issue?    

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My impression is that we could be waiting a while for the first ATSC 3.0 receivers to be designed, built and rung out to the point of production.


IMHO, The elephant in the room with ATSC 3.0 that no one is talking about..is what AT&T/DirecTv, Dish, and the cable guys large and small will need to do to maintain carriage with the switch...They will all have to change their receivers and modify their systems somewhat to continue.

If 3.0 is made optional, it'll be just as big a mess as the digital transition was. Lived thru that fiasco tho.. I think It needs to be mandated by date and market.

And tell granny who was not happy her old sony tube tv that still worked was no longer any good that once again she has to buy a new tv..

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Looks like I missed this when it became public...

Looks like they are now down to trimming from CH 51 to 32... Instead of from ch 51 down to ch 29. As apparently there wasn't enough interest in TV spectrum to pay for the 1st round auction spectrum targets.
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2016/db0831/DA-16-990A1.pdf

Ball is back in the TV Broadcasters court...

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any way to make this a dual boot so that E2 can be developed for it? It would be nice to be able to add tuners thru usb etc. and do some of the things that can be done in E2 but with a quality newer stb like yours. may not be possible just asking.
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Looks like they are now down to trimming from CH 51 to 32... Instead of from ch 51 down to ch 29.


Why don't they take this opportunity to move *all* broadcast TV to UHF, freeing up the VHF bands, like they should have done during the digital transition?
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Kurtz, you will likely see the opposite occur, i.e. they are trimming UHF TV spectrum for wireless usage (again), which will require much more than the present approximately 25% of full service stations using VHF Hi or Lo across the country, to move back to VHF from UHF.

The number of stations required to move will depend on the outcome of the incentive auction of course.

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most stations did move to uhf during the digital transition..besides, vhf and low uhf isn't good for the cellular carriers..the basic laws of physics prevent those frequencies from working very well in portable devices like iphones etc...
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My point is that the FCC should have moved *all* (not most) broadcast TV stations to UHF *permanently* (not just during the transition, only to have a sizeable number return to VHF afterwards).

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UHF is not suitable for every area.
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HI Jeff, Its been about a month since your last post, any update with your plans to release a new receiver?  Thanks.
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Hi everyone,

Lets try this again. I just wrote this and it went away for some reason.

First, lets tackle some questions. ATSC 3.0 is real. Look at the ATSC website for more information and updates. The roll-out is the joke and incompetence of the FCC and ATSC towards smaller USA companies comes with it! Its all about PAY to PLAY!

The added bandwidth from the 600MHz. sell-off is going to be only 106MHz from the 126Mhz they are stealing from us the taxpayers. I think we should all send the federal government a bill for our share of this sale from this UHF bandwidth. It was slated for deficit reduction, but now just going into the FCC coffers and wasted.

Regarding our 4K unit. The issue still stands. We have the order in, they are not going to build it this year. They instead are pushing for more IP/ATSC units instead. I will have these samples in next month.

I appreciate all the emails, calls and support for this product. Understand that there are only 4 companies building this chipset. Since this Taiwan company was sold to a Chinese firm, my relationship with Hisilicon has gone down hill. A former UW-Madison graduate cannot help me anymore. These silly games the Chinese which are trying to corner the chipset market. They are being very successful with their government supporting these buyouts and is very concerning.

Looking back, we have spent over a years time on this development on Hisilicon 3798 V200 chipset for satellite and a separate IP/ATSC unit. Only to be further delayed for the satellite unit because we don't order so many. The indicated the beginning of next year when they are slower for the satellite unit.

We have looked at other chipsets out there. There is nothing that comes close to this for now and into the future it will meets our needs. Now we are seeing some new ones come-out, but again we have to take time to develop these as well. So if you do not have HDMI 2.0 in your unit, then 4K will be an issue we are hearing in the market. The data transfers over 12Gps is not good enough and you need to be at 16Gps minimum data transfer in HDMI and 2.0 only allows this with the special HDMI cable.

This is a very expensive chipset. For the triple play it will retail for $250.00 and sell for around $200.00.

But then again, this will compete with any A/Z box in the market and offer you so much more!

I want to thank Rick, the Beta guys and my guys as well for their time effort into this project. We are encouraged this will come to market, just not in the time frame we all wanted.

I thank all of your forum people for your feedback and support!

Greatly appreciated from all of you,

Jeff Schumann
Manhattan-Digital

If you have any additional questions or concerns, please let me or Rick know.



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I have been informed by Jeff Schumann that the receiver being used in the testing will allow the user to pull in the Music Choice channels on 125W that are using ACM. He said to go ahead and post this info for anyone else wondering if this would work on the new receiver they have coming out.

Thanks Jeff for the info, hope you can get everything sorted out quickly and bring the receiver to market soon.


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Thanks for the update jeff. The pay to play explains a lot. More fleecing in our face.
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Not sure what you mean by "pay to Play" Or fleecing?

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