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mansourselmy

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Hi,guys

There is a strange frequency on 26E. It's 12380 H 27500 DVBS2

Using DVB Dream, after scanning the frequency directly sports channels shown as normal scrambled TV in Biss.

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But on the channel list are shown as data channels.

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- They have Vpids but there are no Audio pids.In the same time, they work on a new receiver called beOut Q through all tracks.

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- They are scrambled in BISS but the give fake rolling crypts.

The company ,which owns this frequency and other two frequencies, used to hide PIDs in stream so we can find hidden channels by ts analyzer tools. But this time , the matter is more complex..:(

I uploaded a small ts file so that you can analyze it. You will find the channels give video pids and no audio pids. Maybe fake Video pids and the real PIDs are hidden.

Badr 12383 H 11-21 23-08-03.rar

I hope we can manage to solve this puzzle.
thx

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mansourselmy

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BTW, What is the best ts analyzer software which can show hidden PIDs?
Thx

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there are not a lot of people that can get 26 East on this board. You are probably better off asking in a forum where most people can get the "East' satellites.  
mansourselmy

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Bro, I don't talk about receiving, I talk mainly on the point that they hide PIDs.For this reason, I uploaded a ts file to examine it.
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One riddle is easy to solve. When scanning channels are detected as video because of PID Video, but really inside stream in SDT table You can see that ServiceType is set to 12 - Data Broadcast instead of 1 - Digital Television or eg 31 - HEVC digital television service. In fact DVB Dream should detect these channels as data even when scanning, because that is how they are broadcasted - incorrectly, but probably intentionally. On the side of DVB player it should rather keep what it is defined in ServiceType, because it can distinguish channel type (HEVC/H.264/MPEG-2) before analysing StreamType for every ES in PMT. But that's my personal opinion based on my knowledge. Of course in this case, when broadcaster is intentionally broadcasting channels incorrectly - this is failing, but that's not DVB player fault.

Other thing is missing audio - I see really nothing more hidden that there can be seen by TransEdit etc. Maybe just some infocards for now?

PS: beOut? Didn't they had some conflict with beIN?
mansourselmy

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Thx sat45

Originally,the channels are beIN sports channels,but the provider broadcasts them as beOUT sports channels with sticking their logo on beIN's .. [biggrin]
This is because of a political conflict between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

What makes us mad that beOUT receiver can receive them with working Vpids and Apids ...In the same time, other receivers can't receive Apids.
Also,BISS has rolling keys and that is strange issue..!!

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Only suspicious thing inside is PID 142 (0x008E) with 1 Mbit/s of something. There are 9 "Q" channels, so maybe some crazy way of broadcasting all audio channels on one PID and extracting them? But quality would be rather low, around 96 kbit/s for audio. Nothing else seems to be hidden there :/

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Originally,the channels are beIN sports channels,but the provider broadcasts them as beOUT sports channels with sticking their logo on beIN's .. [biggrin]


Lol [biggrin] This is the highest level of piracy I ever heard of [biggrin] Officially rebroadcast on satellite some channels with replaced logo

[eek] [rofl]

Arabsat is allowing this? [smile]
mansourselmy

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Thanks
Could you show me PID 142 (0x008E), please ??

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Arabsat is allowing this?


For me, it's strange, too..[biggrin]

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This is the highest level of piracy I ever heard of


When NDS (Videoguard / DirecTV) hacked Nagravision (Dish) and leaked the info on the internet (or was it the other way around?), trumps this.
sat45

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@mansourselmy

Here it is, this is the only one PID with unknown content, all other are recognizable and have correct content (eg. ECM is ECM)



@Captain_Kurtz

Yes, remember that [biggrin] That was bigger indeed [biggrin] OK, so beOut is second level [rofl]
mansourselmy

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Oh thanks
But, Can we extract or know this strange PID?

PS: I think a new PID is appearing (141) SSU??

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SSU - System Software Update, probably some upgrade for original receivers. But because bitrate is very similar and PID is very close, maybe 142 is SSU as well? That would mean that again no idea how they managed to hide audio :/
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