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I'm wondering about what's needed to receive and view/listen to these streams?

I mean as far as size of dish or how much signal is needed to be able to do this?

Can I do it with a small dish?

How do you know when a signal is an IPTV signal ?

Anything else a greenhorn/newbie needs to know about basically identifying the signal, and knowing if it is one that can be watched/read/listened to?


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I'm wondering about what's needed to receive and view/listen to these streams?

I mean as far as size of dish or how much signal is needed to be able to do this?

Can I do it with a small dish?

How do you know when a signal is an IPTV signal ?

Anything else a greenhorn/newbie needs to know about basically identifying the signal, and knowing if it is one that can be watched/read/listened to?


I was hoping that someone else more knowledgeable would respond to this, but I'll throw out a couple things.
First, there are two terms here, IPTV and IP/DVB. 
I may be wrong, but I usually think of IPTV feeds being on the internet, whereas IP/DVB is IP traffic carried over a DVB sat signal.  The importance of this distinction is that with servers on the internet, there is usually two way communication, where your computer sets up a connection then transfers the video.  On a sat mux, there isn't any way to set up the two way connection.
   Receivers like the Azbox can connect via internet to IPTV servers, but I've never seen mention of a sat signal that it could connect to.

   Now IP/DVB can be video or text or any kind of data.  It's usually not aimed at home users, but generally point to point. 
Re recognizing it, TSREADER is probably best.  If you see some PIDs that show up as unknown, that look like they have enough bitrate to carry video, you can go into IP/DVB mode, which will bring up a list of the PIDs in the mux.  You then select a PID, at which point, if it is in a generic ip/dvb format, a list of MAC#s will appear, and if you open up one of the MAC#s, it will indicate the IP#s that the feeds are going to, and will generally indicate whether the stream is TCP or UDP.  Usually video is carried as UDP, but so is other content. 
   Sometimes you can just tell TSREADER to retransmit the stream, and you can play it with VLC directly.  Other times, you can record it and play the recording.  Other times you need to record that PID (best from the record menu, not the IP/DVB menu) and clean it up with ipcleaner.
   However it gets cumbersome since you don't know if there is video in the stream, or if there is video in the stream, it can be encrypted, even though the PID itself is FTA.  

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As far as dish size and receiving the signal goes it's no different than receiving any other DVB.   You need to be able to lock the signal at a level high enough to receive it with no errors.  
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I called them IPTV because that's what the name of this forum section is, "IPTV Feeds" [wink]

So, I guess then that these can be of varying difficulty to lock, same as all the other feeds that we try to receive... some fairly easy, others more difficult, and, some very difficult..all depending upon the equipment you have and how you use it.

Sounds like a good new adventure to add to my collection.

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Here's an easy one to get I think, on KU SES3 103W 12180 V 25000
Record pid 1032

Besides Tsreader you can use  "Transedit/TsAnalyzer" to record Pids.

Put Ipcleaner in a folder with your recorded ts file. Let it record for 5 minutes should be long enough for that one.
Then open command prompt, where that folder is with the Ipcleaner

From the command prompt example:

C:\Ipcleaner -infile=myrecording.ts -pid=1032

Thats it.. It should output a "stream" file

https://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/post/weather-channel-in-fedex-mux-7199679?pid=1285336841#post1285336841


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Here's an easy one to get I think, on KU SES3 103W 12180 V 25000
Record pid 1032

Besides Tsreader you can use  "Transedit/TsAnalyzer" to record Pids.

Put Ipcleaner in a folder with your recorded ts file. Let it record for 5 minutes should be long enough for that one.
Then open command prompt, where that folder is with the Ipcleaner

From the command prompt example:

C:\Ipcleaner -infile=myrecording.ts -pid=1032

Thats it.. It should output a "stream" file

https://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/post/weather-channel-in-fedex-mux-7199679?pid=1285336841#post1285336841



Thanks Mac ... last time I recorded anything, I think, was using a VCR !!  I'm gonna give it a try in a little while.


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Okay, I used EBSPro, and used the TS Grabber from that program to record 5 minutes of PID 1032

Then ran the command for IPcleaner from within that folder.  SEE 2 attached screenshots...

I'm assuming (!) that the TS Grabber in EBS Pro didn't record what IPcleaner needed... is that right?
TSgrabber.png 
firstdump.png


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I think I should have recorded the "FullTS" right???   I'll try again...
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Not sure , Usually when I see that " can not open" I misspelled  the file name.

added:   or the file is not where you think it is

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same results.
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Not sure , Usually when I see that " can not open" I misspelled  the file name.

added:   or the file is not where you think it is



Maybe the TS Grabber in EBS Pro doesn't output a good file for this??  how do I analyze the recorded file?

thanks again,

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Not sure , Usually when I see that " can not open" I misspelled  the file name.

added:   or the file is not where you think it is


look at this contents of the 2nd recording... the ID's, it's showing 1460 as one ID...maybe that's what I should have put????
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You can open it with a Hex editor , but it looks like its 28 mbs  though
I haven't recorded with ebspro > I guess try and record the whole mux. Ill have to try it too.

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You can open it with a Hex editor , but it looks like its 28 mbs  though
I haven't recorded with ebspro > I guess try and record the whole mux. Ill have to try it too.


Mac, there's a lot of different entries in this one file...further down the list there is some unencrypted video, and some references to 1032, i'll post that section here;
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Not sure , Usually when I see that " can not open" I misspelled  the file name.

added:   or the file is not where you think it is


look at this contents of the 2nd recording... the ID's, it's showing 1460 as one ID...maybe that's what I should have put????
[image]



That looks llike the whole mux there
ADDEd let me try it but, I usually record the one pid and you can't have any program like maybe EBSpro adding anything or tampering with the stream

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