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wejones, I like your site and also this site:

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/sunrise.html





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wejones, I like your site and also this site:

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/sunrise.html






That's certainly easier for the noon/true south, plus it has numbers for the equation of time, which is nice.

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That's certainly easier for the noon/true south, plus it has numbers for the equation of time, which is nice.


Local sunrise and local sunset divided by 2 for any particular day then right in the middle!Simple as that!!

wejones are you a retired college professor?

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And as such it is just that simple without a smart phone to find true south in your own back yard on a sunny day. Perhaps start with just your bare dish pole and mark the true south line and then install a dish and then start  tracking. (you can sit in the shade and talk on your smart phone while you await high noon to meet up with your back yard pole) Never mind what your wrist watch or smart phone say the real time is. Shortest shadow line length and it is high noon time. Simple and no battery is needed. Was done 500 years ago. (you never hear a movie line where cowboys say meet me in the street at 12:23 for a show down with your six shoots) They just say high noon. Of course those cowboys never went to college either. (and thus my point as we get more tech devices we forget the basic of facts about our planet and the sun) Long ago before the "smart phone" people were so smart they knew how to find true south and high noon time of day in their area. Then you could buy a sat meter from Rick and make your alignment that much easier to get done. (that would  be the smart move)

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wejones are you a retired college professor?


Retired?...yes
professor?.... not quite... assistant professor for about a month before that was secretly changed to lecturer at assistant professor level because the department head hired me without the permission of the faculty.  I quit after 5 years.  I should have taken legal action.  Still grumpy about the whole situation 40 some years later. [frown]



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Today my plans to turn an unused mesh sat dish into a big yard compass just got canceled. A fluke or bad luck but I have a new neighbor and as he was cleaning up his yard he offered me an old wooden building so I hooked on and towed it to my yard. It just says chicken coop all over it. I see a nice Hughes Net dish will fit very well off the 4x4 post sticking above the roof line. And because my local  Tractor Supply store had a one day sale or over stocked chickens I towed home a box of 24 of them. Now I need more mesh dishes to  turn into yard chicken covers. I am sure just the one 10 mesh dish will not cover 24 chickens as they grow larger by the day. I think the small dish sat hardware will work out to build chicken nesting bins. So I need perhaps another 20 more Dish or Direct little dishes unless of course I end up with 24 roosters. Then it will be a Hot Wing cook out at Bob's late this fall. Good thing I saved all my extra sat dishes to give homes to my new winged friends. (I have no clue so we bought a book called Chickens 101) Can one build a chicken compass? I believe a lot of chickens around the yard will distract the neighbors from worrying about my large sat dish farm.
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This is not the same boblop I know to turn a dish into a chicken coop.What has gotten into you?[biggrin]
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Yes it sounds like some one else. I just need to get my spare dishes up off the grass and make yard work simpler. I believe chickens will not harm the dishes and I will still have the dishes around after the chickens are just hot wings so they can be turned over and pointed up at the Clark Belt once again. I do see a bunch of little dishes all mounted in a row and big plumb chickens filling then up with eggs. Because I seldom throw much away. I already see I should have gotten a new cat rather than the 24 chickens. I wonder is one large dish with the center hole, could be where all the eggs roll down to and make egg collection very simple. A sat dish hen house where the eggs and gravity self collect at the bottom of the dish / nesting area. Are there any "farm  channels" free from the sat positions above me? Any one see any thing "foul" with this  picture?

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Putting aside for a moment the chickens for any one who has ever used a spectrum analyzer you already know just how nice they are to help align your dish or to trouble shoot an issue with your sat system.

Keep in mind here that Rick sells several nice sat meters. If you have a computer connected sat receiver then you can use a program such as EBSpro (and some others) and get a very nice view of the entire lnb /lnbf output and all the tps which you can see from each sat position. I have put the EBSpro program into a loop and just viewed a very narrow range of freq which if you had a lap top computer  out at the dish would really help  to quickly fine tune your dish.

While I prefer the real time scan of a true spectrum analyzer these other methods and meters are still much better than just depending  on a receiver locked on to  a single tp and then tweaking up the dish. However once you do  have a signal lock this does mostly work. The catch 22 here is you have to first find that sat position and get close enough to get a receiver lock.

Perhaps Rick or some one who has one of Richs nice sat meters can chime in here and explain about all their features.  It really does make the hobby more fun and much less stress to  have "a better way" to find those sat positions if you have some of the better sat meter type of equipment. What else are you going to spend your tax refund check on? (me, well I have lots of chickens to feed now) But I would like to sell some eggs and get that newer 4K receiver if and when Rick gets them in  stock. As they say though never count your chickens until Rick gets that receiver in stock. I will be left  with egg on  my face if that does not happen this summer. We all need a nice 4K receiver!

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Then it will be a Hot Wing cook out at Bob's late this fall.


Is that an invitation? We could have a RWF's party at Bob's??

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Perhaps not  about a compass or a sat meter but all the talk about using mobile apps and smart phones with sat applications made me think of all the spare stuff I have collected here. Besides the many CCTV cameras I have a pair of remote controlled via wire or rf signals wanscams. As in chicken cams monitors.

While in over kill mode you could mount a camera outside to watch over one or all of your sat dishes. I had thought about this because of the many PLLs and orthoes out in my dish farm. A sat security system so to speak. It is quite semi rural area here so no real issues.

A more important current need would be to watch over my present flock of 24 egg makers to tell me when it is time to refill their food trays and watering bottles which is down stairs in a south sun room. I am reminded about a current tv commercial addressing cows out in the pasture and possible future sat links with then to monitor their conditions . It seems a bit much but what do I know about cows? I have eaten a few cows and poured them over my corn flakes in the morning. Should I connect up my chicken herd via sat up/ down links and thus know when the next warm egg will arrive? Yes, over kill.

Around here many of the bridges across smaller rivers have a water level  monitor and a small sat dish up link system to send back the data for fast up dates and easy collection methods. The dishes are small so perhaps this is a Ka up link system. Having just had an overnight rain at 3 inches or more I guess those gauges were reporting plenty of interesting data. While we enjoy the audio and video sat signals there are plenty of other uses for sat links from many other sources. Are cows next to be sat connected? I gotta look into that subject. Us humans may be next to be part of the sat feed system.


https://hads.ncep.noaa.gov/index.shtml  The website states more than 15,900 data site collection points and I assume many of them are sat dish up links points.

I entered a location info and got this feedback for a local river.
https://hads.ncep.noaa.gov//cgi-bin/hads/interactiveDisplays/displayMetaData.pl?table=dcp&nesdis_id=174B2572
This location does have one of those very small sat dishes.

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Well after man kind found out how to make a compass and find  his way until now with quality sat meters has life been so easy. A good sat meter sure does make finding and peaking up a sat dish a much simpler job. You may remember I am the guy who removed his whole kitchen to  build in its place an FTA control center complete with two computers and three spectrum analyzer plus several receivers and dish controllers. Tonight I had to again drill yet another hole through my hard wood floor to bring in more coax and other wires. This time though I wired up a chicken cam which lets me view the 24 chickens in the lower sun room and their current water supply. From here it would be easy to add more cameras to watch over my dish farm and "know" just which way they were pointing via the camera and FTA room monitors.

The only other thing more interesting was today at the farm store where they sell small chickens was a man who had lights all over his shoes and he could control the color of these lights via his smart phone. Because my dish farm is out among several different garden plots a few cameras out there could also spot just which animals are eating in my garden and perhaps chewing on the sat dish cables. Caught red handed so to speak right from the FTA control chair. I can then move a dish in the direction of the chewing animals and perhaps save some garden plants and  several dish wires all from FTA control central. Gosh life is getting just to easy. While not sat related I do have my own personal "chicken channel" now right from the easy chair in FTA central control. Finally this former kitchen is turning into a real sat man cave. Sat tv receivers and monitors plus cold beer just across the room and hot wings growing to proper size on the monitors.

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