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virginiap20007

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Well Gen. Inst {and later Moto] wanted to retain control even though the customer owned the unit.   If I remember right the 922 came out because it played the higher symbol rate.  If you had a 920 you could not get the "Denver Ch's" because they started using a higher symbol rate before they became unavalable.   As far as a "dish pusher", I think it is the best one out there!


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Well Gen. Inst {and later Moto] wanted to retain control even though the customer owned the unit.  .....



This reminds me of when I bought my GI DSR 4200 (darn thing cost $1300, and now you can buy them for less than $50).   Well, when I got the thing home (had to drive nearly 4 hours each way to get to the one dealer that sold the things), I went to open the box, and they had this big legal notice seal on the box that you had to break to open the box, which said that  'by breaking this seal, you acknowledge that GI retains ownership of this receiver', or something to that effect, saying that you had to return the unit to GI after you were done using it legally. 
   I think that they meant to say that GI retained the ownership of the firmware, but the notice went way beyond that.   I don't know if the 4DTVs had this notice on the box or not.  I just remember that the legalize made me mad, and I was kind of thinking come and get it if you want..... particularly later, after the trend to make items like that  to be "universal waste", a special environmental category for items with lead and mercury and other heavy metals that made it difficult to dispose of if they fell in that category (not sure if the GI receivers qualified or not).  I figured that if the thing died, I'd send them a legal notice to come and get it, since it was still their property and their responsibility.   
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...Unlike a commercial receiver that a bunch of commands need to be entered on the front panel and has to be master reset, then the new mux scanned and channel mapped to that mux before you get to see that bouquet. Then this needs to be redone for each mux on the satellite just to see a handful of channels...


Not all commercial receivers are that way. You should see a DSR4800 via serial control with TSR in action.

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...I went to open the box, and they had this big legal notice seal on the box that you had to break to open the box...

...I don't know if the 4DTVs had this notice on the box or not...


They don't/didn't. I still have the boxes for my 920 & 922 and there wasn't a notice like that. They probably just figured the battery would take care of it for them. And they were right about the 920.

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DCII was basically the death of C Band sub services up here.  Probably partly due to our low dollar at the time, but receivers were insanely expensive and subscription prices went out of reach.  They lost most of the a la carte which made the VCII service so appealing too. 

New 1080p plasma TV made a lot of that stuff suddenly look pretty bad too.  Only thing left connected to the TV now is DVB-S2 HD and the BluRay.  Analog C Band is used to turn the dish,  StarChoice is un-subbed and  only used to listen to ckUa.
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No FTA box can do that, and good feeds can still be found ITC in analog on c band.    


Actually there were many FTA boxes that could (can) do analog and digital. Most were primarily  marketed in Europe, as is the Azbox line of products.  I have a STB produced by cnj that is in a box somewhere that does analog and dvb-s.  Here is a list of many....
http://www.smi.uib.no/ksv/DigFaq.html

I see an old familiar name on that page, who use to provide an abundant amount of transponder info, wonder if he is still around.

Regarding DCII, it is dying.  DVB-S is thriving and DCII will be gone at the end of its life expectancy. Whether that is a few years or more is the question.  Hasn't DCI finally ceased to exist, as there were a few holdouts. 

4DTV Mapping... fantastic having the ability to create, modify or reverse engineer the system.  Brilliant!
I am not sure when my 920 dies that I will care, much less revive it.
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...Regarding DCII, it is dying...

Can't agree with that. Perhaps if it was worded to include "as a home subscription service", a better case could be made (but even that appears to have some good years left in it as it is now). I don't think DCII is going away any time soon.

There are still new commercial receivers being made that include DCII with S2, Turbo, and H.264 capabilities. There are master services that are being transmitted in S2 DCII Mpeg4 HD right now. Unfortunately, we can't afford those receivers as hobbiest. But I doubt the headends will be trashing them anytime soon. If they were, those units wouldn't cost 3 grand & up.

The security of DCII would seem to make its usefulness "immortal". Hard to imagine a system that has never been cracked dying just for the heck of it.

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I probably havent figured this out yet but here is what I am able to get:
G1-600, 951; G9-126 (sound only); G5-602,603 color bars + the music channels; G7-114,115,118,120,18; T7-102,103,106,110,111,114,115,116,117,118,120,121,150-156 sound only;
subscribing to X4 Discovery channels 250,252,253,254,255,256..extra is 204;
W5 extra is 211
Is this all of the channels??? If not please post others
I have been around C-band since 1984 but dont know the technical language
This is still much better than the pizza dish..It doesnt make sense to me to
do 2 year contracts just to watch TV
I have a HDD-200 but the 20.25MHZ crystal broke and have never found another one that was less than $65.00....It would be interesting to see a
4DTV High Def channel....I know the HD channels on FTA that look really good are CBS on 89 degrees and the CBC channels on Anik F-1 using the
Azbox Elite I bought from Rick
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I use my DSR-920 as a dish mover and feed other receivers from the LNB's "C" and "KU". I use a custom DC block made by me to give signal taps for the other receivers. for the moment the receivers connected are DSR-4200v, Sonicview 8000hd and openbox hd.
I want to comment about video quality. Dishnet uses 20,000 kbs and PBS 30,000 for sd  and the picture quality is better on PBS as an example. If I look at PBS HD feed it is 1080 dpi and our local OTA is 720 dpi so we watch more back hauls the OTA. The audio steam that is being transmitted is AC3 and is being used more as time goes on for DVB. When you talk about quality on DC2 need to look at data rate of the provider. The 4DTV receiver will tell you if you want to know in hidden menus.
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I've unfortunately had a poor experience with 4dtv online as well. I was a site sponsor for their website and tried to use it as a technical resource since I am a beginner at C-band and have much to learn about setting up and using these 4dtv receivers. There was much anticipation for the public release of the Mapmaster program in the beginning. Over time the overall tone of a public release changed and I was even flamed in the technical forums for asking simple Mapmaster setup questions. Finally when the much anticipated program was released elsewhere I was able to successfully use the program without any issues. I posted my success to the online C-band community and the next day my account at 4dtv was conveniently inactive. I made several attempts to see why my account was suspended and I was told it was due to financial issues at the forum and if my account with posts was deleted completely I could have access again. But I was warned to not make posts to bring up my count because I would not receive any technical support anyway. Not a very good deal. Due to this I would not recommend spending any money with 4dtv online as I didn't even get adequate technical support.

I hope that any further 4dtv questions I may have can be answered at this forum as I feel like a ship without a rudder at this point and I still do not have my actuator setup or a pole in the ground. :-(
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rrob311,

 

Thanks for the follow up.  Please feel free to ask your questions on your install as needed.

 

The Map Master program has come a long way for those that have the time and ability to do it themself.  Please feel free to share your success stories in the first thread below.

 

You can see details and files at these 2 links: 

 

http://rickcaylor.websitetoolbox.com/post/4Play-for-4DTV-from-Photoman76-4774984?trail=15

 

Map Master Restoration Files, info here:
https://sites.google.com/site/4dtvmapmaster/home/


 

Thanks,

 

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Wow! I see that I am not the only one who has problems with Glen Musielak of GlenTech Enterprises.  Here is what is currently happening to me:

Back on March 5, 2012, I had contacted Glen Musielak of GlenTech Enterprises regarding repairs to my Motorola DSR-905 Sidecar satellite receiver.  He had sent me an e-mail response with a quote of what it will cost me for his services.   The quoted amount for the repairs was $219.75 in which he had instructed me to pay in advance and as a donation through PayPal.   On March 12, I had shipped out my receiver to him via FedEx.  I had sent him the tracking number and asked him to contact me when he had received it.  On March 15, he had contacted me to let me know that he had received my receiver.  FedEx confirmed delivery on the same day.  I had called Glen to verify that he did in fact have my receiver in his possession.  Glen also instructed me that I need to submit the payment of $219.75 to him before he can look at the receiver.  He had also instructed me to submit it as a donation through PayPal instead of a service.  I had submitted the payment through PayPal as a donation, per his instructions.  Over a month later on April 21, 2012, I had inquired about the status of my receiver.  Glen responded back on April 23, 2012 that it will be hitting the bench soon. Around the middle of May, I had called Glen to find out the status of my receiver and again he said that it hasn’t hit the bench yet.  Three months later since March 5 on June 7, 2012, I had received an email from Glen stating that my receiver will need additional parts and it will cost me an additional $80.00 in advance for his services.  On June 8, 2012, I had responded to Glen, requesting to return my receiver to me and refund me since this project is becoming more costly than I had originally anticipated and not worth the expense. .  I had also filed an online complaint with PayPal regarding this transaction.  On June 9, 2012, Glen had responded that he could not refund me due to his policies and terms.  Glen never returned any of my telephone calls and voice messages that I had left him either.  Later on June 9, 2012, I had responded, requesting the return my receiver and a refund. On June 12, I had contacted PayPal and had spoken to their fraud department in Nebraska regarding this incident.  She had indicated to me that Glen should not have asked for a donation for services and apparently he knew that loophole from the beginning.  Glen of GlenTech Enterprises has not returned my receiver to me nor refunded me.  I believe I am a victim of fraud and have scammed out of my money and my receiver.  

I see that Glen aka TVROPRO has been posting on this forum, too.  Glen, be a mensch and return my receiver and money to me before I escalate this.

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Many warnings not to use Glenteck on the 4DTV fourm at Satfourms.
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Thank you n4yqt for sharing your experience with us.

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Have you ever received your 905 receiver back from Glen Musielak of Glentech Enterprises  or did He STEAL it ?

I'd expect no  less from a person of this caliber and had tried to warn people not to do business with this type of person.
Of course all that smooth talking  that flows from his lips can not be trusted and must be taken with a grain of salt.



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Wow! I see that I am not the only one who has problems with Glen Musielak of GlenTech Enterprises.  Here is what is currently happening to me:

Back on March 5, 2012, I had contacted Glen Musielak of GlenTech Enterprises regarding repairs to my Motorola DSR-905 Sidecar satellite receiver.  He had sent me an e-mail response with a quote of what it will cost me for his services.   The quoted amount for the repairs was $219.75 in which he had instructed me to pay in advance and as a donation through PayPal.   On March 12, I had shipped out my receiver to him via FedEx.  I had sent him the tracking number and asked him to contact me when he had received it.  On March 15, he had contacted me to let me know that he had received my receiver.  FedEx confirmed delivery on the same day.  I had called Glen to verify that he did in fact have my receiver in his possession.  Glen also instructed me that I need to submit the payment of $219.75 to him before he can look at the receiver.  He had also instructed me to submit it as a donation through PayPal instead of a service.  I had submitted the payment through PayPal as a donation, per his instructions.  Over a month later on April 21, 2012, I had inquired about the status of my receiver.  Glen responded back on April 23, 2012 that it will be hitting the bench soon. Around the middle of May, I had called Glen to find out the status of my receiver and again he said that it hasn’t hit the bench yet.  Three months later since March 5 on June 7, 2012, I had received an email from Glen stating that my receiver will need additional parts and it will cost me an additional $80.00 in advance for his services.  On June 8, 2012, I had responded to Glen, requesting to return my receiver to me and refund me since this project is becoming more costly than I had originally anticipated and not worth the expense. .  I had also filed an online complaint with PayPal regarding this transaction.  On June 9, 2012, Glen had responded that he could not refund me due to his policies and terms.  Glen never returned any of my telephone calls and voice messages that I had left him either.  Later on June 9, 2012, I had responded, requesting the return my receiver and a refund. On June 12, I had contacted PayPal and had spoken to their fraud department in Nebraska regarding this incident.  She had indicated to me that Glen should not have asked for a donation for services and apparently he knew that loophole from the beginning.  Glen of GlenTech Enterprises has not returned my receiver to me nor refunded me.  I believe I am a victim of fraud and have scammed out of my money and my receiver.  

I see that Glen aka TVROPRO has been posting on this forum, too.  Glen, be a mensch and return my receiver and money to me before I escalate this.

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I TOTALLY agree..last week I sent my 4DTV receiver to ATS..they called 3 days after they got it saying they had replaced the front panel that Glen had broken..the cost was $15 + the new battery Glen had installed had to be replaced because it wasnt installed properly..they also found a bad solder joint on the power supply..I had paid Glen $90 to fix that problem...with shipping 2X to Glen because I got the receiver back the 1st time without new maps...total screw up from Glen was $400.00.....ATS fixed all Glens screw ups + replaced the front panel for $127.00 ..this included shipping back to me...ALWAYS USE ATS...NEVER GLEN....NEVER!!!!!
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