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I have been trying my new Me for past 7 days. Trying for recording of CBS on eSata HDD using many FW. I cannot find succuss. The OpenRSI I have been trying records 2 or 3 minutes & then locks the Me up. It does not work good so far as a PVR. Anybody been able to record?
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OpenRSI 2.1 works the best for CBS.

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Good luck getting 2.1 to play back CBS. I never could get it to play a CBS recording all the way through. ISTR those using eSATA instead of internal HD have reported even more trouble.

We are anxiously anticipating CBS improvement in 3.0 in being able to both record and play CBS when 3.0 becomes available with 3.9 kernel and drivers, hopefully this weekend, since the new kernel was announced just over a week ago.

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is the premium+ any more stable for recording CBS?
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my ME here with the OpenRSI 2.1 fw records CBS just fine on G-19 w/29860 sr, play back is fine also but I have to FF or FR to get it to play, and then it plays the recording perfectly. and that with a 2TB Seagate green internal HD, its either 5200 or 5400 rpm, the longest I have ran on my recordings are a bit over 1-hour, so I don't know how long you're talking about when you say "all the way ".




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Good luck getting 2.1 to play back CBS. I never could get it to play a CBS recording all the way through. ISTR those using eSATA instead of internal HD have reported even more trouble.

We are anxiously anticipating CBS improvement in 3.0 in being able to both record and play CBS when 3.0 becomes available with 3.9 kernel and drivers, hopefully this weekend, since the new kernel was announced just over a week ago.
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my ME here with the OpenRSI 2.1 fw records CBS just fine on G-19 w/29860 sr, play back is fine also but I have to FF or FR to get it to play, and then it plays the recording perfectly. and that with a 2TB Seagate green internal HD, its either 5200 or 5400 rpm, the longest I have ran on my recordings are a bit over 1-hour, so I don't know how long you're talking about when you say "all the way ".

I gave up on 2.1 after the big 3.0 problem from late November/early December was solved. I don't remember so far back the details that problem or of the CBS problems using 2.1, only that I couldn't tolerate them.

Which version of 2.1 are you using? As I still have 2.1 on my backup ME, I might give it a try if 3.9 kernel doesn't show up in 3.0 in the next few days.

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""Which version of 2.1 are you using? As I still have 2.1 on my backup ME, I might give it a try if 3.9 kernel doesn't show up in 3.0 in the next few days.""

20130703 2.1 using the 2.6kernel.
also note that my HD is a Seagate green drive in the 5000rpm range, I think its 5400 but can't be sure its been a wile since I installed it, just about all of the 2.1 fw I have tried since Feb of this year have done a great job on the CBS recordings.
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The 2nd HD I put in my HD+ was a 5900 RPM Seagate green 1.0TB. It has a 1.5TB 5400 RPM in it now. #1 ME has a  2.0TB 7200 RPM Seagate cloned from the 7200 RPM WD 2.0TB that I put in it when it was new that I moved to my #2 ME. I don't think the RPM matters in either AZBox. hdparm -t results from either are always massively below what the same HDs can do connected to a Linux PC. The ME does about double the HD+, which produces a creepy crawly ~4% of what a decent HD is capable of connected to a Linux PC.

My #2 ME now booted is reporting 2.1 Enigma Feb 10 2013 last updated June 29, so I suppose it differs little from what Captain is using. A bit ago it was playing OK a Criminal Minds episode from 89W last September that quit recording at 27 minutes. After exiting it I tried quite a while before I got an October Big Bang that recorded completely to play. Apparently it takes multiple hits on the "<<" button  to make it start. The ">>" button makes it display the simulated do not enter symbol.

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Don't be fooled by the download size change of OpenRSI-3.0-azboxme-20130804. It still uses 3.3.1 and aborts attempts to record CBS. First try aborted in less than a minute. Second try went 19 minutes. It does have a new boot graphic, which because so bright and orangy I like less than all other boot splashes I've ever seen on any AZBox software version. I also saw significant corruption in menu text. I've already restored least evil early January 3.3.1 kernel and booted back to early January OpenRSI 3.0 on [2].
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so I have Open RSI 2.1 that just updated in July. My HDD is a 7200 RPM WD blue 1tb.
so how do I know if I have the right FW that has been working well for CBS? Also where can I check the kernal I am using?
I would like to be able to record at least an hour without crashing. I would be willing to swap out the HDD if that would help.

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I think what EmilNJ and Captain are saying is, if you haven't already, try what's available on http://www.openrsi.org/openrsi/downloads/downloads-azbox-rsi21/ which uses the 2.6 kernel. I don't think which HD you install internally has any impact on what you can or cannot record or play back.

Which kernel you are currently using is in Enigma's Main -> Information -> About menu.

If you're running 3.3.1 kernel now, I'd consider sticking it out a few more days waiting for 3.9 to show up in nightly builds.

One reason I'm apparently less bothered than some others about inability to record CBS on an AZBox is that I have several SD recorders I can use for simple time shifting, and am not usually bothered by less than full HD quality for time shifting. My larger interest is in programs filling a 16:9 TV screen in proper proportions with no unnecessary boxing.

Right now I have 3 recorders continuously recording the most recent 6 hours of whatever the selected STB is tuned to. Anything I need to save can be done by moving the buffer content to a separate recording. Those that continuously buffer are Magnavox brand available from WalMart.com (not in stores except for site-to-store pickup) for prices varying on HD size, the prices of which WalMart seems to change every 2 months or less, ranging between about $220 and $299.

Another workaround would be to try what I've been doing. I have early January OpenRSI 3.0 on [2], which I don't experiment with. If there is an archive of that or a similar version somewhere, or a place that could archive my copy, others could do the same. IIRC, since I've not attempted it in too long to remember, it will record CBS just fine, but not play it back. I can play CBS recordings just fine by booting any of the newer software that cannot make full program length recordings from CBS. I keep a recent OpenRSI 3.0 on [0], which seems always can be counted on for CBS playback. I use [1] for experimenting with OAM mostly. So far, the January kernel seems to work with any newer software that comes with a 3.3.1 kernel. So, any time I install newer software on [0] or [1], after trying it out I restore the January kernel, then boot [2] for recording or normal use, and boot [0] at such times as I need to play something back that January 3.0 software won't.

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I think what EmilNJ and Captain are saying is, if you haven't already, try what's available on http://www.openrsi.org/openrsi/downloads/downloads-azbox-rsi21/ which uses the 2.6 kernel. I don't think which HD you install internally has any impact on what you can or cannot record or play back.

Which kernel you are currently using is in Enigma's Main -> Information -> About menu.

If you're running 3.3.1 kernel now, I'd consider sticking it out a few more days waiting for 3.9 to show up in nightly builds.

Ok jdcpa, I finally had a few minutes to sit down & figure out the kernel -


Openpli 2.1
Kernel   2.6.22.19
Enigma: Feb 10 2013
Last upgrade: Aug 7 2013

If I could record CBS successfully I could try the same playback method you use.
I have Openpli 2.1 on boot (0)
Aztrino on boot (1) -useless.

I would be willing to upgrade the kernel if it's not too complicated and would fix the problem. Don't have a clue, forgive me - I've done a lot of reading & I'm still lost on the kernel & FW upgrading procedure.

Would extensions like tsPanel still work if the kernel & FW are changed?

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Lots of hassles around here lately Kermit. I really don't think the answer you want, or are justified in expecting, exists. EmilNJ is using 2.1, not necessarily because it best suits his needs, but as likely because the bug set it has bothers him less. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing. Each compilation or version seems to trade one set of bugs for another. I'm guessing the root problem for us is that the software writers' dishes can only see Asian and European sats, and so they cannot test using feeds producing the problems we in the USA are having.

As to flashing, I find the web interface far easier to work with, simple actually once you understand what it's doing and working with. It only takes me a few minutes to flash OpenRSi. It's easy to fetch a build with wget or curl; no hunting for an obfuscated download link on a windows stuff your face with ads for junkware page as is the case for the other software images. The .img files we download are just Linux .tar files that contain a kernel and a system image. Renamed with a .tar extension, they can be readily opened for browsing and copying via OFM or other archive browser.

So from the January .img file, I extracted the kernel, and saved it to a .tar file containing it only, with a copy saved with an .img extension for flashing from the web interface loaded in a Firefox tab by using the IP the ME's LCD display presents when booted while holding the volume up button down on the remote. I flash a whole downloaded .img to the [0] partition, then test it by booting to [0] and restoring the settings backup previously made. Depending on when I do it, usually I'll goto a CBS feed and try to record whatever is on. While doing so, I have a telnet session open running top. Before starting top after a new flashing, I do 'uname -a' to see the running kernel details. Top shows me a CPU% activity considerably above 0 (typically varying significantly between 20 and 55) when recording anything that's a high bit rate. So as soon as I see it drop to 1 or 0, I know the recording has been aborted. Usually at that point I confirm recording ceased by visiting the movies directory via FTP in my OFM, with which I delete the aborted recording (or give it a suitable name if I want to keep it), then reboot to flash the January kernel and reboot to the January software on the [2] partition so I can go on watching TV or doing other things.

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i got to thinking, which can be dangerous at times, after attempting all weekend to record CBS 4:2:2 ...loading images etc etc etc. No luck at all...recording messed up , stopping early you name it....maybe the CBS is using too many resources being "shown" on the tv  to be recorded properly as well. I looked at the resources and there was only 5% memory free when tuning CBS.    I think I have proven this atleast on one image. THE NEW OPENSPA 5.0.0.6.
 I decided to create a "Dummy" channel on 4080 V 29860 on G 19. I went in to drambox edit..right clicked on the CBS channel and copied a service. I made the new service called "dummy" and gave it an SID of 0 and then PIDS that dont exist. I then sent the new channel list to azme and when I went to tune the "DUmmy" channel nothing showed of course but the TP had signal etc.
 I then tuned CBS on the 4080 TP and set a manual recording for 30 minutes. I then changed the channel to the dummy channel and could do this because it is on the same TP...in effect the Me was using no resources to show a channel while recording CBS. AFter the 30 mins was up..I left the Me on the dummy channel and went in to easymedia player and played the video..it broke up at first but then went smooth for the last 28-29 minutes..I realized the breakup was while it was still tuned to CBS before tuning to Dummy. I could rew and ff no problem. really was nice.
 I then tried it with a 1 hr manual recording. Again the first minute or so was broken up but then went fine...again when it was tuning CBS and in the channel change to DUmmy. The last 58 minutes went great.
 SO I think if you set up a timer recording for CBS and then a zap timer 1 minute later to dummy then you can record CBS...I'd have this happen at about 5 minutes before program to make sure the video has straightened  out in the recording.Now the problem is that you cant watch it while it records nor anything else. If you have another receiver then you can use it..so this isnt for everyone..but may work for some people and their situations.

Anyway it seems to work..maybe someone else can duplicate my results....I will try on the minime later

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Mountaineer, I just couldn't duplicate your results using the methods you suggested. On OpenATV 5.3, I recorded 30 minutes on 4080V 29860SR. The first 40 seconds played fine and the rest of the video was breaking up and freezing badly. Totally unwatchable. On OpenESI and OpenSPA 5.0006, it would only record up to 30 seconds or so, but not the 30 minute duration set time. The recorded 30 secs played fine. This makes me to state the I wasn't successful in my tests. I may try other variations as time permits.
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