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Thanks for posting these dsmith. The same process works for the Linkbox 9000i local.

I made a sat named Muzak and scanned using 8191 for each Video PID, and the 4-digits for both Audio PID and PCR PID.

The TP scan shows failed but each one did in fact scan as a TV channel. I then renamed them to the proper title and saved it.

Thanks again!

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... when I try to play these things with TSREADER--> VLC, for some reason I'm not getting audio, but when I stream to PotPlayer instead of VLC, they play fine.  Not sure why.  VLC plays the channels the scan in fine, so it should play the hidden channels.

I don't see of these music channels in TSReader or VLC, when I pass the stream from CrazyScan or EBSPro.  However, if I "Analyze" the transponder with TSAnalyzer, the audio streams show up with the 7000-series PIDs as posted here and can be "Preview"ed.  So TSAnalyzer can see and play them, but it won't save them, for instance to launch later in DVBViewer.

Anyhow, if one's running from a computer, TSAnalyzer is a quick and dirty way to select and enjoy the individual Muzak audio channels.
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Thanks for posting these dsmith. The same process works for the Linkbox 9000i local. I made a sat named Muzak and scanned using 8191 for each Video PID, and the 4-digits for both Audio PID and PCR PID. The TP scan shows failed but each one did in fact scan as a TV channel. I then renamed them to the proper title and saved it. Thanks again!


I don't scan any of them, shouldn't need too. I manually add each one, and they appear as radio channels on my receiver.

A receiver that has a PC Channel Editor would simplify adding these, but there is no editor for my receiver at the moment, but they are supposed to be developing one.

I know there used to be some TV channels that required manual entry as well, but I lost my list and have not been able to find anyone that has one.

I can't use the software several are talking about on here for TS streams because I have a Mac Mini, so no slots for adding a card anyway.

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I don't scan any of them, shouldn't need too. I manually add each one, and they appear as radio channels on my receiver.

A receiver that has a PC Channel Editor would simplify adding these, but there is no editor for my receiver at the moment, but they are supposed to be developing one.

I know there used to be some TV channels that required manual entry as well, but I lost my list and have not been able to find anyone that has one.

I can't use the software several are talking about on here for TS streams because I have a Mac Mini, so no slots for adding a card anyway.
thank you so much for the info - it works perfectly on my Linkbox!

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I don't see of these music channels in TSReader or VLC, when I pass the stream from CrazyScan or EBSPro.  However, if I "Analyze" the transponder with TSAnalyzer, the audio streams show up with the 7000-series PIDs as posted here and can be "Preview"ed.  So TSAnalyzer can see and play them, but it won't save them, for instance to launch later in DVBViewer.

Anyhow, if one's running from a computer, TSAnalyzer is a quick and dirty way to select and enjoy the individual Muzak audio channels.


Interesting.  I've never tried tsanalyzer.  I assume that this means that it analyzes each PID in the stream, to try to identify what kind of info it contains, instead of what most receivers and TSREADER does, which is read the PAT to find PMTs, and read the found PMTs to determine what the audio/video/pcr PIDs are.  TSREADER just shows the audio PIDs in this mux as "unknown".
   If it analyzes each PID (complicated further because some PIDs contain more than one type of content), that is impressive, particularly if it's user friendly.  I've used the linux dvbsnoop program (under cygwin), which will analyze a stream packet by packet, and identify what content is there, but it is not very user friendly.  I generally have to record a bit of each PID using TSREADER, then feed it into dvbsnoop to analyze it, and the output takes a lot of study to understand.
   Anyway, this tsanalyzer sounds interesting.

   However, with a little practice, you can use TSREADER.
  It's usually to identify audio and video PIDs just from their bitrates, or at least identify PIDs that might be A/V.  Mono mpeg audio PIDs are generally 80-100 Kbps, stereo mpeg usually around 170 Kbps, AC3 audio usually have bitrates from 200-350 Kbps.  Video PIDs are generally up near 1 Mbps or above, but there are exceptions to these rules.  But when I see a mux like this with TSREADER that has a bunch of PIDs that are all in the 80-100 Kbps range, I tend to suspect that they are probably mpeg audio.  With TSREADER, I create manual channels, in this case using the audio PID for the PCR and the SID.  I can "save" the manual channels, however to use the saved channels later, I have to load the saved channels after bringing up the mux, which is a little cumbersome. 
   So rather than identifying PIDs as being audio, I just try a PID that looks like it could be audio, and see if the manual channel I create plays or not. 
    Anyway, it can be done with TSREADER, but it does take a bit of work.  Not real user friendly.  And I'm kind of an OLD dog that is slow to learn new tricks, so I tend to tend to use what I'm familiar with even if it isn't easy.  [smile]   But I may look into tsanalyzer.  Is it a free program or $$$?





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But I may look into tsanalyzer.  Is it a free program or $$$?

I don't know if TSAnalyzer is written by the author of DVB Viewer Pro, but it serves as the scanner to find and save the channels to then be watched with DVB Viewer.  Except that it's a bit cumbersome to have to use this other application (TransEdit, which seems to contain TSAnalyzer) to create channel lists for DVB Viewer, DVB Viewer is quite nice and not too expensive.  But to answer your question, TSAnalyzer appears to be part of TransEdit which is a "free add-on for purchasers of DVB Viewer Pro." 

I am using TSAnalyzer from within the TransEdit program so maybe it's not (intended to be) as freely available as I might first have suggested, but if I Google TSAnalyzer (by itself) it does seem to be available.  Whether it's even the same program I have no idea.  So I'm not much help, and may have just misled folks about this.  But I feel that DVB Viewer Pro was a good purchase, and I see that there's a cripplleware version of it available from the author's website, and that may actually come with TransEdit.

Sorry for any confusion.
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 OK, thanks....
   I do have DVB Viewer, and have the transedit program, but I don't use it very often.  Actually, I had assumed that you were talking about transedit, because I thought it had an analyzer function, but when I went to run it, I saw it wasn't called tsanalyzer, so I started googling looking for it. 
   In any event, I'll take a look at what I already have here, just to see what it comes up with.

I'm still really confused re why I can't play these things with VLC.  I'm sure that I ran into this before, but I'm not positive if I ever figured it out or not.  PotPlayer plays the stream fine.  I thought maybe it was because I was making the manual channels as mpeg1 audio, so I tried again making the stream mpeg2 (which is what the audio channel that scans in on that mux is), but VLC wouldn't play that either.   I recorded the stream, and it wouldn't play the recording either. The log says that it's inputting the audio stream, but that it's not demuxing or outputting the stream.
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OK, I went into transedit, selected the 12145 transponder and hit analyze, and it did pop up a window called TS Analyzer.
However it didn't analyze those 74xx PIDs, only about 1/3 of the PIDs probably those ID'd by a normal scan.  However, I thought that perhaps I shouldn't have done the normal scan first, so I went out of the program without saving anything, then back in, did the analyze thing, and this time it included the music PIDs.  Not sure if there was another way to do that or not.  As I said, I don't use this program very much.

That is a quick and easy way to play those channels.  Thanks.

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You're welcome, I'm sure.  I can't count the times you've helped me.

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Since several of you were mentioning various DVB stream analysers, I though I'd share one I found that was cross platform compatible and best part, it is FREE. It's called DVB Inspector, it's a stream analyzer written in java. I didn't post a link because I wasn't sure if it was allowed, but pretty easy to find and it's on SourceForge.

I'm new to this, but determined to learn how it works. I loaded a .ts file from my PVR drive and playing around with the features to try and learn what the rest of you have been enjoying [wink]You'll need to make sure you have the latest java installed as well. Here's their description of the program:

DVB Inspector is a program to analyze captured DVB-streams. It is not a real time tool that can interact with PC-TV DVB hardware directly. You have to use another program to record a Transport stream. It can show the logical structure of the DVB SI and PSI data. It can also show some bit rate usage data. Support for for DSM-CC Object carousels, teletext, DVB subtitles

Features
MPEG2 Video preview
Teletext Level 2.5 preview
DVB Subtitles preview
DSM-CC Object Carousel support
Bitrate Graphs
AIT Table support


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That's a nice program.   Thanks.
Seems like every one of these analyzer programs is different.  TSREADER shows all the PIDs, but only identifies PIDs that are either standard PIDs or are listed in the PAT/PMT, etc.  So when curious, I often have to record specific PIDs then feed them into another analyzer like DVBSNOOP, but DVBSNOOP is not user friendly at all.  Transedit seems tries to identify PIDs that aren't listed in the PAT/PMT structure, such as these hidden music channels, but doesn't give much detail beyond "audio" or something like that.
   This program is not quite as user friendly as TSREADER, and you have to record the mux to use it, but it allows you to dig down to the byte level headers and payload.  And all the PIDs are there, and can be viewed separately. 
   I've only scratched the surface re learning what it can do, but I like it.   Thanks.
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Updated 2 June 2016

Some of the channels changed. Also forgot to mention in previous post, this is no longer Muzak, it's now MOOD:

Here's the list of changes:

7500 60’s Hits
7501 Adult Alternative
7520 Renegade Country
7532 Classic Hits
7545 Latin Jazz
7551 Kinetic
7575 Food Lion
7580 90's Hits


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I did some work with the files and have a chart to connect all of them  I have it in excel if you'd like that posted.  Some channels are not directly linked, but at least this can work to translate the PID to the file name to see what is playing.   They each also have XML files in the XML folder that give the data that fills the HTML file.


FileChannelPIDChannel
00050's & 60's Hits749650’s & 60’s Hits
00170's Hits749770’s Hits
002Songbook7498Songbook
00380's Hits749980’s Hits
01460s Pop Demo750060’s Pop Hits
005Adult Alt.7501Adult Alternative
006Cashmere7502Cashmere
007Unforgettable7503Unforgettable
008City Lights7504City Lights
009The Beach7505The Beach
010Swing Kings7506Swing Kings
011Lucille7507Lucille
012789075087890
013Ensemble7509Ensemble
  7510Holiday (currently 60s Pop Hits Demo)
015Rock Show7511Rock Show
016Roadhouse7512Roadhouse
017Country Gold7513Country Gold
018Nashville USA7514Nashville USA
019Cntry Music 17515Country Music 1
020Belissimo7516Belissimo
021The Light7517The Light
022Plaza7518Plaza
023Impressions7519Impressions
024Renegade Cntry7520Renegade Country
025Easy Instrumentals7521Easy Instrumentals
026Environmental7522Environmental
027Frequency7523Frequency
028Expressions7524Expressions
029Ambrosia7525Ambrosia
030FM-17526FM-1
031Hitline7527Hitline
032Hot FM7528Hot FM
033Strobe7529Strobe
034Little Italy7530Little Italy
035Jazz Traditions7531Jazz Traditions
036Classic Hits7532Classic Hits
037Kidtunes7533Kidtunes
  7534Martini Time
039La Musica7535La Musica
040Intermezzo7536Intermezzo
041Love Songs7537Love Songs
042Feedback7538Feedback
043Metro7539Metro
044Mojito7540Mojito
045Moodscapes7541Moodscapes
046Aura7542Aura
047Shine7543Shine
048The Party Playlist7544The Party Playlist
049Latin Jazz7545Latin Jazz
050Piano & Guitar7546Piano & Guitar
051The Cafe7547The Cafe
052Mo Soul7548Mo Soul
053Reflections7549Reflections
054Kingston7550Kingston
055Kinetic7551Kinetic
056Tropical Breezes7552Tropical Breezes
057The Blvd7553The Blvd
058Concrete Beats7554Concrete Beats
059Viva Mariachi7555Viva Mariachi
061NuLounge7557NuLounge
062Chevys7558Chevys
063TBD7559TBD (was Hobby Lobby, no audio)
064Don Pablos7560Don Pablos
066RL Music Program7562RL Music Program]
067Quebecois7563Quebecois
068Stater Brothers7564Stater Brothers
069Popeyes Radio7565Popeyes Radio
  7566Holiday (currently Renegade Country Demo)
072The Circuit7568The Circuit
073Perimeter7569Perimeter
074The New Wave7570The New Wave
075Varsity7571Varsity
076Stylus7572Stylus
  7573Breathe
078Curves 4 Women7574Curves 4 Women
079Food Lion7575Food Lion
080Mens Wearhouse7576Mens Wearhouse
081Petsmart7577Petsmart
082Chase Campus7578Chase Campus
083FM Dos7579FM Dos
08490s Hits758090's Hits
085Sports Authority7581Sports Authority
086Cost Plus7582Cost Plus
087Sheetz7583Sheetz
088Uptown7584Uptown
  7585Food Lion
090Moe's SW Grill7586Moe's SW Grill
091McDonalds7587McDonalds
093Chase Hispanic7589Chase Hispanic
094Sprint Latino7590Sprint Latino
095Chase Main7591Chase Main
096Chase Campus7592Chase Campus
097Promo 47593Promo 4
098Ulta7594Ulta
200Chipotle_East7600Chipotle_East
201Chipotle_Cent7601Chipotle_Cent
202Chipotle_West7602Chipotle_West
203Chipotle_Mtn7603Chipotle_Mtn
062Ensename  
004Guantanamera  
070Renegade CTY  
004Summer Fun  

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On my HD+ I tried manually configuring via advanced scan -> PID edit:
PCR:45 Video:45 V.Type:NA Audio:7541 A.Type:MP2
It plays about half the time, goes silent the rest of the time. [frown]

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On my HD+ I tried manually configuring via advanced scan -> PID edit:
PCR:45 Video:45 V.Type:NA Audio:7541 A.Type:MP2
It plays about half the time, goes silent the rest of the time. [frown]


I'm not familiar with that receiver, but on mine, the Audio and PCR has to be the same, 7541, and the Video on mine is 8191, type MP1. See it that works for you.

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