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serkanguzel

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Hi masters,

Your ideas, about new TBS cards.

New standard used; DVB-S2x

http://www.tbsdtv.com/products/tbs6528_multi_standard_tv_tuner_ci_pcie_card.html
http://www.tbsdtv.com/products/tbs6522_multi-standard_dual_tuner_pcie_card.html

These new cards, can receive the signal of NS3 - NS4 modulations/standards etc.?

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sat45

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No NS3 and - more important - no blindscan.
serkanguzel

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Puah ... [confused]

Standard will be which one? DVB-S2x, NS3, NS4 ???

For each standard, we'll  a separate purchasing device ?
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I would say probably yes. different purchase. But what do I know.[smile]
when were talking about commercial receivers
From what I've read the Novelsats NS3 is their proprietary format
and Newtecs S2x is their format

Thanks for the TBS links
The other thing I was wondering about was more "detailed" specs in the two cards listed I don't see
S2x  Roll-off Factor: 0.05, 0.10, 0.15, 0.20, 0.25, 0.35  listed anywhere, Wonder what demod they are using?

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serkanguzel

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I could not collect my head to examine the details. Yet. [smile] 
( S2x  Roll-off Factor: 0.05, 0.10, 0.15, 0.20, 0.25, 0.35 )

Also; thanks for the idea.

Future modulation standard, which will it be ? ( DVB-S2x, NS3, NS4 ??? )

This is the most important issue at this stage, this I think ...
Imagine that; 2 different standard came at the same time. [confused]

Also, you need to keep alive the old equipment. So, "DVB-S2 to DVB-S2X" ensure the conversion, need the also hardware. Of course, such an equipment made of ? I do not think so.

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I would rather say that NS3/NS4 won't be available to consumer market at all, only for broadcasters. Hardware for NS3/4 is proprietary. DVB-S2X will be available for us, but not all broadcasters will be using it. I'm afraid that only NovelSat hardware will be able to read NS3/NS4, so no DVB cards, no receivers etc. DVB-S2X is standarized, so there will be more and more devices supporting it.

In fact it's a business war. NovelSat is trying to sell their solution and Newtec is trying to make standard from DVB-S2X just to marginalize NovelSat solution (because of lack of wide-available hardware and interoperability). But NovelSat got big and important partner - EBU (European Broadcasting Union) with their Hypermux. They invested too much in hardware for it, so they will keep NS3 for longer... That's why in my opinion Newtec is trying to do absolutely everything to widely introduce DVB-S2X.
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Hmmm... Thanks for ideas.

In this case, we have the system/systems must expect the settlement.

Also, as you said, is not available in the new models feature blindscan card.

This new model cards, I think the first primitive models.
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Originally Posted by midwestmac
The other thing I was wondering about was more "detailed" specs in the two cards listed I don't see
S2x  Roll-off Factor: 0.05, 0.10, 0.15, 0.20, 0.25, 0.35  listed anywhere, Wonder what demod they are using?


TBS 6522 use Silabs dual multistandard demod Si21832 + 2x AV2018 satellite tuners + 2x Si2157 terrestrial/cable tuners.

TBS 6528 have Si2183 + AV2018 + Si2157

About DSS/DVB-S/S2/S2X support - consumer-level support + some restricted DVB-S2 VCM support (at least can receive multistreams with DTT muxes + possible set custom PLS code like STV090x, 091x) + broadcast profile S2X extensions (extended roll-offs + additional 8,16,32APSK modcodes for quasi-linear channels + channel bonding for dual demod only).

P.S. See also linux open-source drivers for si2183 (TBS 6522 only now)
https://github.com/ljalves/linux_media
https://github.com/tbsdtv/linux_media
https://github.com/crazycat69/linux_media

+ And TVheadend 4.0.9 screenshots - first 6522 tuner receive multistream from 4.8E, second - DVB-T2 from air. Extended signal statistic supported.
tbs6522-tvh.png 
tbs6522-tvh-status.png 


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No NS3 and - more important - no blindscan.


Satellite blindscan supported. And Ter/cable autoscan also.

6522 have 100% support in my test StreamReaderEx-BDA. So CS and CS2 work.

See RFScan & BLScan2 results from my fixed 0.9 dish for 4.8E Astra 4A. And same scan with 6983.
4.8E-RFBLScan-TBS6522.png 4.8E-RFBLScan-TBS6983.png 

MIS+PLS, constellation monitoring also supported.
4.8E-12341H-TBS6522.PNG 
P.S. 6983 find some ACM transponder 12111H with up to 32APSK modulation, but SNR low for this.
4.8E-12111H-TBS6983.PNG 


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And scan my air with CS2 + TBS6522. Only DVB-T2 [smile]
RFScan2+AirScan-TBS6522.png 
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serkanguzel

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Thanks to for your informations... ( @crazycat ) [smile]

In this case; What is the standard ? Need to answer the question.

DVB-S2x: If that be single standard, available for purchase. I consider it so.

If not, I can not obtain a separate hardware for each standard.

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S2X is S2 extensions, most for professional applications.
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Thx,crazycat for this info.
I don't know why the tbs site usually does not write some important specifications which found by users.

I read in another site that these new dvb cards support NS3 .Did you test by yourself the feeds on 10E??

It's strange that your new tbs card has a mix of very important advatages and is cheaper than tbs 6983!!!!

Thx

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WOW! That's great news about blindscan ability. Looks like even TBS don't know about possibilities of their cards: http://www.tbsdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=9957#p35679
Thanks crazycat for clarification and Your precious support [smile]

I assume that card is able to receive 8PSK/16APSK up to SR 45000 ksps and 32APSK up to 40000 ksps? Source: http://www.tbsiptv.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=167_173&product_id=73
This means that I will get no signal from C-band on 5°W, where SR is 60000 ksps? http://www.lyngsat.com/Eutelsat-5-West-A.html

No support of 64APSK, 128APSK and 256APSK?

How fast is RF-Scan and Blindscan in compare to Yours 6983?
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Thx,crazycat for this info. I don't know why the tbs site usually does not write some important specifications which found by users. I read in another site that these new dvb cards support NS3 .Did you test by yourself the feeds on 10E?? It's strange that your new tbs card has a mix of very important advatages and is cheaper than tbs 6983!!!! Thx


I just have 6983 and 6522 in my PC [smile] So compare this cards [smile]

About NS3 - this "mystic" like "Proff blindscan" [smile] This is exclusive tech from Novelsat, no standard.


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