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rempfer

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I have loaded latest kernel 2.6x versions as follows:

Boot[0] OpenRSI 2.1
Boot[1] Spaze 1.1
Boot[2] AZTrino 1.85 NA

I seem to be able to get a few C-band satellites configured, but I'm having a dickens of a time getting signals from Ku transponders.  I have the LNBF wired with C-band on DiSEqC port1 and Ku-band on port2.

Has anyone managed to configure any (or all) of the above operating systems with Me using a DMSI BSC621-2 LNBF?  The dish setup I have works just fine with my Openbox S9.  Any help would be appreciated.
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Rempfer, I can only speak for sure about the C-band side of your setup, as I have the BSC621-1 standard LNBF.

Under the setup menu, your LOF for C-band should be 5150 low, 5150 high, 4800 switch.  MY setup for Ku-band is 10750 low, 10750 high, 11700 switch using the standard LNBF.  I've used these settings with all three firmwares you listed.

YOUR Ku will be different because of the universal LNBF.  I believe your settings should be 9750 and 10600.

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One more thing, you said you have the latest kernel 2.6x.  The latest kernel for the ME is actually 3.4.4.  If I'm not mistaken, OpenRSI 2.1 runs the new kernel, AZtrino 1.85NA runs under the old kernel.  There is AZtrino 2.0 for the new kernel but you lose blind scan.  I've never used Spaze so I can't speak for that FW.
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Registered: 04/24/08
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The ME is easy to set up with a universal lnb, just like C-band their is no need for 3 LO settings. just > over on the "LOF" line to "Universal LNB" an that's it, but if you want it set up only for the high band for the N. America sats then on the LOF line select "USER Defined" and then set LOF/L, LOF/H, and Threshold all 3 to 10600, then arrow down to "Tone mode" and set it to "ON". my ME looks at 3 dishes with universal lnbs and works great with these settings.

I never could get it to blind scan with a universal lnb setting with AZtrino or RTI, but I only went up to the 1,82 AZtrino, but if I set the lnb to user defined with LO of 10600 it blind scan ok then,
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Just to clarify, I am running kernel 2.6x.  What I meant was, I am running the most current versions of the O/S's that are supported under kernel 2.6x.

Also, I do not have a Universal Ku band LNBF.  Standard - not Universal.

Thank you for the replies so far.  I'll try anything you folks suggest!

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You might want to double-check which LNBF you have, I believe the BSC621-2 is universal.  I have the BSC621-1 which is standard.  It will definitely make a difference when setting the sats up in your box.

I mainly used AZtrino 1.85NA on the old kernel.  You have to set up each and every sat in the setup menu.  If you think your LNBF is standard, use the LO settings I listed above.  You should have no problem as long as it is standard.  If it doesn't work for Ku, you probably have a universal.

I think for OpenRSI, when you go to Tuner Configuration, you only have to set up LNB1 and LNB2 if using a standard LNBF.  The same settings I listed above also worked without any problem in both the old and new versions of OpenRSI.  I have mine set up as LNB1 for C and LNB2 for Ku.

I have never used Spaze so I can't offer any assistance there.

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I'm not sure if this was hinted at above or not, but if I remember right, the universal version of that lnbf uses an internal diseqC switch to switch between C and ku and uses 22KHz to switch between the two Ku bands, while I think that the standard version of the lnbf uses 22KHz to switch between C and Ku, since it doesn't need to switch between the 2 Ku bands.  
   So you need to consider the internal switches when setting up the receiver, even if you're running separate coaxes to the lnbf.  

 
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That's correct wejones.  My standard uses internal 22KHz to switch between C and Ku.
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Wow.  What good information.  Here's what I remember from when I purchased this LNBF.  I do appreciate your help figuring it out. 

From a guy on eBay, I purchased the universal version as pictured with the jumper cable running from the Ku LNBF to the input on the C LNB.  However what I received was this LNBF which had no provision for the jumper cable (having only one F-connector on the C-band LNB).  So I ASSUMED it was NOT a universal Ku either.  The item was mis-packaged.

The seller just refunded my money and told me to keep the thing.  I have the box it came in, which makes no mention of "universal," but I think I should take magnifying glass & ladder in hand, point the dish at 55W and go look for a label on the LNBF itself.

Could one of you guys tell me if the word "universal" should appear anywhere, or how I might by physical inspection establish its type?  Again, it has only the one F-connector on the C-band.
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I have the standard.  On the end opposite the feedhorn, there is one F connector (Ku out).  On the side of the throat, there is a rectangular 22KHz switch with two F connectors (Ku in and C out).  The C out is the primary output using the 22KHz switch.

Perhaps you could post a picture.  It may be easier to see it.

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...I hit the send button too quick...

The jumper on mine goes from the Ku out to the Ku in on the attached 22KHz switch.  Theoretically, I could run two coax lines from the LNBF, one for C and one for Ku.  The 22KHz switch attached to the side automatically switches from C to Ku and vice-versa.  It saved me about 200' of additional coax.  I only had to run one line.

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Yes, I'll try to post a picture.  It's dark here at the moment.  Mine does NOT have two F-connectors on the side.  I use an external DiSEqC switch (1=C, 2=Ku).  If there's an internal DiSEqC switch as well, which I gather there may be from reading the above, that could make things interesting. 

The plot thickens.  I have a trip to Olympia (Washington) to make today, but I'll get back to the important business at hand as soon as I return!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rempfer

Also, I do not have a Universal Ku band LNBF.  Standard - not Universal.



just to let you know the BSC-621-2 is a Universal Ku lnd on this combo feed horn. I have bought and sold lots of of these BSC combo lnb-f's and gave up on both the 621-1 an the 621-2 do to their poor performance on the Ku band, but later on I started to mod the feed horn and they worked a lot better by far.





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Originally Posted by rempfer

From a guy on eBay, I purchased the universal version as pictured with the jumper cable running from the Ku LNBF to the input on the C LNB.  However what I received was this LNBF which had no provision for the jumper cable (having only one F-connector on the C-band LNB).  So I ASSUMED it was NOT a universal Ku either.  The item was mis-packaged.

The seller just refunded my money and told me to keep the thing.  I have the box it came in, which makes no mention of "universal," but I think I should take magnifying glass & ladder in hand, point the dish at 55W and go look for a label on the LNBF itself.

Could one of you guys tell me if the word "universal" should appear anywhere, or how I might by physical inspection establish its type?  Again, it has only the one F-connector on the C-band.
  


well that's what people get when dealing with these sellers on flea-bay, some may get with what they ordered and then some may not. for my self I ONLY deal with dealers just in case their is a mix up or a problem like Rick here, lucky for me I have not had any bad products shipped in here in a wile, but if I did I know it will be handled in a timely manor, just like Barney did a few years back with a HDD-200.

the BSC-621-2 or the 621-1 are clearly marked on their label that's on the LNB-f its self for their frequency range with the LO of both bands, along with LO of high and low band if its a Universal Ku-lnb, and switching of it and how the ports are switched too, but the word "Universal" is NOT on their label, but any one dealing with the two LO frequency's for Ku should know that.

now switching if it it has a switch built into is done with DiseqC 2x1 for the 621-2, and on the 621-1 is done with 22-khz. now the markings on the BSC combo lnb, is marked LNB and RCV, the small jumper coax goes from the Ku lnb to LNB port marked on the BSC combo lnb, and the port marked RCV goes to you're mpeg receiver. some of the BSC line did not have switching built into these combo lnb-fs, this was offered for a 1-wire coming in from the dish outside.
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Thank you, Captain (and others as well), for the complete story.  I'm printing this off to save for future reference. 

Much appreciated,
 - Dick Rempfer
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Great explanation, Captain!

I'm curious though, I have the standard version and don't seem to have any issues with the Ku side.  You mentioned that you did a mod to the feedhorn.  Was that in an older version of the -1 or would it apply to the current version as well?  Mine is not that old, I think it was May or June when I got mine from Rick.

Just curious...

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