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I to have a Vu solo 4k and what I have found is that the tuner that comes with it is a dual tuner, but it seems to be weaker then link box 8000Hd, and like what Feed Freak said the blind scan make no sense and it does not work.
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While I greatly appreciate your suggestions, we have normally named boxes after people who have passed on and contributed to the satellite industry. Something that Rick does deserve, I did not want the naming the box after him under these circumstances.  

Guessing on the processor, when the time comes we will announce the processor. But no Amlogic S905 is not a desired S2 processor or multi media processor to use. We are going to use the 905 on an IP box we just finished testing. It does work well given that fact it's an Amlogic, which has stepped-up their game. My broadcast engineers likes these as IP boxes.

We are using something much nicer that has just came out to the factories after an 8 month delay. So they are building the boards later this month for us to sample. First units will be IP/ATSC unit.  At the end of August will be the triple play, the SW can be challenging.

For 4.2.2 you can run this on KODI 16 if you have a good box that accelerates the processor. This will be in our unit. With newer chipset that have the de-mod built in, you will have no issues receiving 16 or 32 formats. Networked shared and all the stuff is a natural migration in the industry. When we update the SW to allow Cameras to be broadcasted to your IP device(s). This is a natural progression to.

In the case of USB 2.0 versus 3.0, we understand what you are saying. But once you record on 3.0 you cannot use that on a 2.0 device. I would like to receive more responses on this subject. As you make valid points. We can run 2 2.0 USB and 2 3.0 USB ports if needed.

As Rick indicated we spend a lot of money in development. When you purchase from China direct, then we both lose! Then you will lose when you need service or your remote stops working. That is why I stopped buying from Amazon as China is trying to circumvent our retailers which is our neighbors we support! 

I know, our products are made in China. We have no choice at this time, but hoping by next year we will start producing here in the states. By then I hope we s a nation get rid of China! Did anyone see their new military transport plane. It looks a lot like ours!

In many cases China will not sell their chipsets to USA, they want to control the market! That is why they have purchased a majority of the chipset companies in the world including Broadcom.


Thank you for your support.

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What is this guy talking about? USB is both backwards and forwards compatible. A USB 2.0 device can be used on a USB 3.0 port and a USB 3.0 device can be used on a USB 2.0 port. It is just slower when you run a USB 3.0 device on a USB 2.0 port.

I've used USB 2.0 mass storage devices on USB 3.0 ports and vice-versa without issue.

Might as well just make all of the USB ports 3.0. I don't see the point of having any USB 2.0 ports.
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What is this guy talking about?
 

Grover I do believe he has a name and I'd expect you to be a little more respectful when addressing anyone on this forum.  

Your assuming that this receiver uses the USB 3.0 standard which is backward compatible.  That may not be the case and maybe you should ask Jeff and he will answer you I'm sure.  That is if you address him nicely.

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Hi Jeff,
Thanks for all the great info on your upcoming receiver which sounds like you've done a lot of planning to make happen.     Looking forward to its release in the near future.    I'm guessing you must have found a couple of good Android developers?   As much as I like Kodi, may I ask if the functionality as a satellite receiver depends upon Kodi or are you building a standalone Android app?
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Grover,

Wow, that is news to me. All the technical articles we read indicate differently. Even with USB 3.0+. So we may have the egg on the face regarding this. If that is the case we have more testing to do.

What we need to understand if Cameras/Mic for Skype and wireless mouse/keyboards do as well? We will do some more testing to make sure. I don't want to use 3.0 on these devices if it slows them down. Or to what level is acceptable. Or in the case of a stick. Are older lower end sticks (1 gig) able to run on 3.0 or only the newer faster sticks allowed? These are issues that we need to know. 

If so, we can make this change now. I thank you for your input regardless how stupid I am! 

mr3p,

You can run the S2 portion without KODI. Some people love KODI some don't. We just wanted to accommodate everyone. Then if you choose, you can run the OTA and satellite channels together or not. Again there are a lot of personal settings that people can decide for themselves. The S2 is not an Android App. The IP section is in Android. You can download all the apps from Google Store to run. Netfilx, Hulu and all the apps are there to load in. We prefer to use this method to avoid any viruses people picked-up from non-tested apps. This is evidence on the Android phones people have downloaded from outside sources that left holes in their SW. 

Our programming app is in Android, but our SW guys have it for Apple and Microsoft as well. 

Thank you for your responses and will let you know on the USB port situation soon.

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Jeff Schumann
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My bad and stupidity!

I'm battling some issues here and my mind is not all here. Pollution kills me!

Of course we can run USB 2.0 on 3.0, the concern is running USB 3.0 recordings on 2.0 ports. This is pertaining to older devices that have USB 2.0. Like portable DVD players, laptops and tablets. Will 3.0 run the movies, shows and music on these devices? This is what I was pertaining as an issue from the trade journals.

I think we should keep at least one USB 2.0 port for that reason, we have not tested all older USB 2.0 devices that would be recorded in USB 3.0 and used on those devices.

Anyone has any input on this. Please let me know what experience you have had.

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Jeff Schumann
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Note: We have issues with ATSC 3.0. We need to start this discussion because this is a major concern going from 1.0 to 3.0 and the FCC. Congress is now second guessing this deployment as it's being done backwards. Call your Senators and voice your concerns. Because real live testing indicates serious issues with interference from adjoining markets. Plus changing from 1.0 to 3.0 conversion itself is a joke for us hardware builders. A chicken before the egg situation!

There are no tuners available and LG is hording the 1.0/3.0 tuners. We are paying Samsung/LG  for this development and want to deploy these new tuners into our 4K box. But are not releasing the tuners or any information. What a joke this whole thing is. Selling our frequencies to foreign companies before we deploy a new system without any real live testing! This comes from a federal un-elected department setting the rules. 

So please contact your Senate office and voice your concern. They are finally waking-up to the issues and we need to voice our serious concerns. Don't get us wrong, we like ATSC 3.0, we just don't understand the deployment and why they need so much bandwidth for the wireless industry. Why are they selling more of our UHF bandwidth? These are our frequencies my friends, once they are sold, we cannot get them back for future technology. That is why we said from the start to lease these frequencies, not sell them. but I guess there is no money in it for Congress if we lease them.

I guess we should start another subject regarding this. Thank you!

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For 4.2.2 you can run this on KODI 16 if you have a good box that accelerates the processor. This will be in our unit. With newer chipset that have the de-mod built in, you will have no issues receiving 16 or 32 formats. Networked shared and all the stuff is a natural migration in the industry. When we update the SW to allow Cameras to be broadcasted to your IP device(s). This is a natural progression to.

so h264 4.2.2 will be handled in hardware?



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For units in H-264, I'm not an expert on this. The 4K box has to be in H265 to run 4K at this point. We have been ready some articles on H-264 for 4K, but have not seen any true results at this time. We are waiting for KODI 16 to test 4.2.2. 

To run 4.2.2 the SW people indicated to me that its acceleration of the processor is one of the steps to run 4.2.2 programs. Of course H265 is not a requirement to run 4.2.2. 

One of the biggest gains to H-265 is the d-mod that are embedded in the chipsets. Which  provides a much better viewing standards, saves costs and dramatically reduces the sizes of the boards. Future boxes that will pack a punch are the size of your hand. 

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Looking forward to seeing if this new receiver will do 10-bit UHD and the ability to record the 4k channels.

Also wonder if it will pick up 125W (4140.000 V  30000  3/4 S2/8PSK) music choice channels?

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Looking forward to seeing if this new receiver will do 10-bit UHD and the ability to record the 4k channels.

Also wonder if it will pick up 125W (4140.000 V  30000  3/4 S2/8PSK) music choice channels?


10 bit is part of the standard for hevc
10 bit h264 that's the holly grail in comsumer gear.

apart from the Nvidia shield I don't know of any other hardware that can handle it.

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Emil, Thanks for helping to watch over this thread while I have not been able to keep an eye on it.

Mr. Schumann, thanks for taking the time to visit here and share your ideas, comments and questions to help in the development in your new boxes.

Lets all work to keep things going in a Positive and Productive direction.

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The S2 is not an Android App. The IP section is in Android. You can download all the apps from Google Store to run. Netfilx, Hulu and all the apps are there to load in. We prefer to use this method to avoid any viruses people picked-up from non-tested apps. This is evidence on the Android phones people have downloaded from outside sources that left holes in their SW. 



May I ask if your new STB will have approval or certification to run Netflix HD and/or Netflix UHD?     The biggest drawback with most of the generic Android STB devices is that they are not approved and as a consequence many of the Android apps are limited to 480p, with just a handful of exceptions.  Can you comment on this topic?   I'm guessing most here on this forum, including myself, are much more interested in the S2 features/functionality.   The abililty to plug in a camera to use skype, etc is nice but I'm hoping the emphasis on this device will be S2/ATSC/IPTV.
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I would not be concerned with ATSC 3.0 for quite some time, it's a long way out.
The reverse / forward 600 MHz auction and the resulting spectrum will be executed / deployed long before
ATSC 3.0 ever gets deployed, so from a development standpoint I wouldn't worry about it yet.
Maybe in the next 'development cycle' or two start thinking about it.

I can't think of a single broadcaster who would have incentive to deploy ATSC3.0 even if the hardware was available
to them now much less 10 years from now. It's going to take an "order" of some sort to make people use it,
and so far that hasn't occurred.


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shhesh omg..finally somone who agrees with me on atsc 3.0..after the fiasco the atsc/digital transition was..with broadcasters having a bad case of headuprectumosis for fear of offending the retrans cash cow and ad gods ..( the largest advertiser in this market here is time warner cable ) even a 4dtv user can figure that one out..unless the fcc says you will do this on this date no exceptions.. It's not gonna happen..coupled with the repack...yea, right..sure...
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