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Now there seems to be two signals, one at 3924 and one at 3927. BLScan logged both on a scan and CrazyScan/TSREADER shows them as separate with different programming, showing black screen on 3924 and color bars on 3927. 
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AMC 9  @83W 11702 H SR 1000 DVBS-2 32APSK. 
This one looks a lot like the 11792V signal on AMC 2, not quite the SNR though

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It's probably the same thing as SES is moving everything off AMC 2 so they can move it to Europe.
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There is a new signal or signals in the Roberts Communications transponder on Galaxy 3C.
It's either a mux at 3935 V with an SR around 15000 or it's a lot of small SR signals starting at 3930 V and ending at 3940 V. 

Nothing locks on my Prof 7500.

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There is a new signal or signals in the Roberts Communications transponder on Galaxy 3C.
It's either a mux at 3935 V with an SR around 15000 or it's a lot of small SR signals starting at 3930 V and ending at 3940 V. 

Nothing locks on my Prof 7500.

I think that is a new one. wejones found the 3925 a few days ago, then I blindscanned another at 3928, now this one at 3935, they are all 16APSK SR 1035. The 3925V signal has horse racing with video and audio,  3928 I've seen nothing there yet and 3935 seems to be empty, very low bit rate.
Maybe Roberts is moving to 16APSK
Just checked through the EBS log and all three seem to be empty, at least for now, maybe they are testing from time to time.

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Here is the BLSA scan


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A blind scan with the 6925 and the TBS BS utility turns up four 16APSK signals


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A blind scan with the 6925 and the TBS BS utility turns up four 16APSK signals




I'm only seeing 3 of those 1035 SR transponders.  I notice that 2 of your's were close together.  Is it possible that they're the same? 

What my blind scan gave over whole band on V. 

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3885.135 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
3889.635 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
3894.136 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
3898.635 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
3902.136 Mhz, Vertical,1836 KS, DVB-S2/8PSK,   3/4,  CCM,Pilot on,
3904.354 Mhz, Vertical,1836 KS, DVB-S2/8PSK,   3/4,  CCM,Pilot on,
3907.640 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
3912.134 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
3916.635 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
3924.010 Mhz, Vertical,1035 KS, DVB-S2/16APSK,   3/4,  CCM,Pilot on,
3931.510 Mhz, Vertical,1035 KS, DVB-S2/16APSK,   3/4,  CCM,Pilot on,
3937.761 Mhz, Vertical,1035 KS, DVB-S2/16APSK,   3/4,  CCM,Pilot on,
3947.635 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
3952.134 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
3956.636 Mhz, Vertical,3074 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   3/4,  -,Pilot -,
4060.884 Mhz, Vertical,31249 KS, DVB-S2/8PSK,   3/4,  CCM,Pilot on,
4167.386 Mhz, Vertical,6614 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   5/6,  -,Pilot -,
4174.384 Mhz, Vertical,2278 KS, DVB-S/QPSK,   5/6,  -,Pilot -,
4177.881 Mhz, Vertical,1481 KS, DVB-S2/8PSK,   8/9,  CCM,Pilot off,



I then did a spectrum scan with my Broadlogic 1030 (via Hans Vanortrum's {sp??} old dos blscan.exe program and my plotting program), and it gave the attached spectrum.  
 It clearly shows 9 signals in the 3884-3916 range.  My blind scan  found them all.    It also clearly shows 3 signals between   3948 and 3956, which the blind scan found. 
   However, in the 3924-3943   range,  my blind scan found signals at  3929  3934  3937, but the spectrum looks like there MUST be several more that it didn't find, particularly since it didn't resolve the peaks when it should have if those were the only ones, plus that broad mass of narrow peaks extends up to 3943, so there is at least one missing on the end. 

So I went into crazyscan and checked at 3943, and sure enough there was another signal there, also a 1035 16APSK signal, also a race track feed.  
  I'm really guessing that there are 3 or 4 more that the 6925 wasn't able to resolve.






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I'm only seeing 3 of those 1035 SR transponders.  I notice that 2 of your's were close together.  Is it possible that they're the same? 

I've blindscanned from 3920-3950 several times the last couple of days and thought at first they were moving the signals around, there being only three-four of them. But now after seeing Photoman's and your spectrum scans, its possible, as you say, that  there are several more 16APSK signals there, very tight to each other and hard to pick out. 
I haven't seen anything on any of the signals the last few of days, not since last week when you reported the 3925 with the horse racing. 



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I've blindscanned from 3920-3950 several times the last couple of days and thought at first they were moving the signals around, there being only three-four of them. But now after seeing Photoman's and your spectrum scans, its possible, as you say, that  there are several more 16APSK signals there, very tight to each other and hard to pick out. 
I haven't seen anything on any of the signals the last few of days, not since last week when you reported the 3925 with the horse racing. 




Well, I just lowered the scan range from 5 to 2, and tried to scan at each MHz in that range.  I ended up finding 11 different signals. 

3943  FLAGlER
3939  PARX
3937  ZIA PARK
3935  SUFFOLK DOWNS
3933  Presque Isle Downs & Casino
3931  ? Test pattern.
3930  AJAX Downs
3929  Fort Erie Race Track
3928  Delaware Park
3925  ? black screen ?
3924  ? Austrailian racing ?

It's entirely possible or even likely that there might be more.  I've rounded off the frequencies to the nearest MHz, however I'm guessing that the spacing isn't a whole number of MHz.  I only rounded off since the drift of my LNB makes differences of less than a MHz rather meaningless, even though it's one of those Norsats rated to about 150 KHz.

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Well, I just lowered the scan range from 5 to 2, and tried to scan at each MHz in that range.  I ended up finding 11 different signals. 

Looks like you hit paydirt! I am getting about 6-7 of those now. Video/audio on some. Its raining/overcast here now and scanning is not that good but then again you are not that far away and probably have the same situation. Maybe you are just better setup for c band. I seem to get good signal on all, around 9-11 SNR. Last week I was able to scan them with CrazyScan then bring them up in TSREADER via TCP/IP but now TSREADER shows only sync errors and no data at all. Will have to dig into that situation. When I input the frequencies 3924-26-28 etc, into TSREADER using the direct source, they tune fine. 
Is that  "Presque Isle Downs & Casino" the Presque Isle in Maine? It must be, I didn't know they had a racetrack and casino.
For anyone with a Prof 7301 or Prof 8000 I am tuning these 16APSK signals with both those cards as well as the TBS 6925. For the Prof cards TrickAPSK needs to be enabled in streamreader.ini. ie: TrickAPSK=1 and make sure the leading comment is removed.



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....Last week I was able to scan them with CrazyScan then bring them up in TSREADER via TCP/IP but now TSREADER shows only sync errors and no data at all. Will have to dig into that situation. When I input the frequencies 3924-26-28 etc, into TSREADER using the direct source, they tune fine.

That's strange.  I was using the TCP/IP source from the Crazyscan constellation plot window.  I just used the up/down arrow in the freq window to change the freq 1 MHz at a time. I didn't try the direct source.  I figured that there wasn't a tuning range control there, but maybe in the direct source it's at it's narrowest.  I'll have to try that.
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Is that  "Presque Isle Downs & Casino" the Presque Isle in Maine? It must be, I didn't know they had a racetrack and casino.
 



I don't think they do have a Casino.  I thought the only such thing in Maine was something connected with harness racing in Bangor.  I assumed that the Presque Isle was the Presque Isle in Erie Pa, but that's a state park, so I don't think there are any businesses on it.  At least I don't remember any the last time I was there, which was probably 30 or 40 years ago. Perhaps it's located on the mainland in Erie.


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I just went through the freqs using the direct source, and got slightly different results.

Freq      BEFORE ..............................................NOW

3943  FLAGlER
.............................................    Flager
3942 .............................................................    Dania
3940...............................................................   Bluff's run
3939  PARX
..................................................   ZIA Park
3937  ZIA PARK...........................................   .......
3936 ..............................................................   Black screen
3935  SUFFOLK DOWNS.............................  Presque Isle
3933  Presque Isle Downs & Casino..................  Hoosier Park
3932 .................................................................  Prarie Meadows
3931  ? Test pattern........................................... ..........
3930  AJAX Downs............................................  .......
3929  Fort Erie Race Track.................................. ........
3928  Delaware Park..............................................  .......
3927 .....................................................................  ?? Datona Beach
3925  ? black screen ?........................................... Birmingham Dog racing
3924  ? Austrailian racing ?..................................... Australian Racing
 
{Sorry for spelling} 

I'm not sure if I'm locking on different signals or if things are changing.
Also, a lot of what I was reading were advertisements for facilities that may be near the actual race track, not the actual track.

Anyway, I still get 11, but it looks like some are missing and there are some new ones.  I don't think the freq differences are due to drift, but rather the search routine.
  I still think there are more than this, and that it just depends upon what I happen to lock on each time.





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That's strange.  I was using the TCP/IP source from the Crazyscan constellation plot window.  I just used the up/down arrow in the freq window to change the freq 1 MHz at a time. I didn't try the direct source.  I figured that there wasn't a tuning range control there, but maybe in the direct source it's at it's narrowest.  I'll have to try that.


I had installed the newest CrazyScan and streamreader versions and enabled the new FrameMode feature, that is what was killing TCP/IP streaming to TSREADER.  Disabled it and all is back to normal.

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There are two new muxes on Anik F3.
I can't lock either one on the Prof 7500.
I can't determine the SR, looks to be around 28000 to 30000.
3720 H
4120 H
Constellation is odd looking.

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